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The South China Sea's Gathering Storm

Old 20th Oct 2016, 15:27
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A bit more on that story here,

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...outh-china-sea

China appears to have positioned “significant” weapons systems, including anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems, on all seven of the artificial islands it has built in the South China Sea, despite vowing it had no intention of militarising the archipelago, a US thinktank has claimed.

During a state visit to the United States last year President Xi Jinping publicly stated that China did “not intend to pursue militarisation” of the strategic and resource-rich trade route through which about $4.5tn (£3.4tn) in trade passes each year. However, satellite images released on Wednesday by the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies appeared to show Beijing was doing just that........
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Why are we even vaguely surprised ?

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China live-fires aircraft carrier group amid Taiwan tensions with US

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China’s Liaoning aircraft carrier battle group has conducted its first exercises with live ammunition, the country’s navy said, in a show of strength as tensions with the US and Taiwan escalate.
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 12:54
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Of course they are doing live fire exercises. They are the Navy of a major power. They are doing what all medium to large sized powers do: training their fleet. They'd be foolish not to.
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Indeed, they need to train. And though we all are concerned with their growing military potential, they do not raise any question when a US fleet does exercises in the Carribean or Gulf of Mexico. Or do they?
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What is the general viewpoint in Russia of an increasingly powerful Chinese military? Certainly the views of many other of iits neighbors are known, curious how the man on the street views it.
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China siezes unmanned underwater research vehicle...

China 'seizes US vessel' in S China Sea - BBC News
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Trump's first test. Hmmmm.

Perhaps cozying-up to old Vlad isn't such a bad idea, right now?
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Hi to San Diego, first of all. Just recalled the beautiful Coronado hotel.

Unfortunately, my strong feeling is that the issue of growing Chinese mil. power is not given due attention here. The local establishment (to the extent this word is applicable to our current realities) thinks that since they again consider and call each other "comrads", no threat exists. But the history teaches that China always had its own agenda.
Accordingly, the local media is not talking about this issue at all, except for specialized journals and TV-programs that have very little audience. Therefore, ordinary men in the street, as you put it, do not really care. They may start complaining about crowds of misbehaved Chinese in any tourist destination they use to visit worldwide, but not about military threats.
Thus, it looks to me that both Russia and the West are making big mistakes. We help them with weapons, you help them with general industrial growth. Stupid.
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Interesting viewpoint, thanks for the reply.
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Trump's first test.
Uh, check the calendar. January 20. The current President is still on the job.
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China pulled same kind of stunt just after Obama was in office. The research ship went back shortly after with a destroyer nearby. Chinese got the message.

Under Shrub they took out the EP-3.

Since Trump fired the first shot this time, China decided to send an early response.

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Uh, check the calendar. January 20. The current President is still on the job.
Indeed he is. And the man you guys recently elected is already contributing to the chaos.
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By "contributing to the chaos" do you mean challenging the stance that there has to be an entirely different set of diplomatic protocols just for China? Does China ask Donald or Barack for permission every time the phone rings?
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"challenging the stance there has to be an entirely different set of diplomatic protocols just for China?"

Why not? They have ICBM's, they own several Trillion $ in cash and in US assets, they have a rather large Army... surely you're not suggesting they get the same treatment as Laos???
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Why not? They have ICBM's, they own several Trillion $ in cash and in US assets, they have a rather large Army... surely you're not suggesting they get the same treatment as Laos???
Why? We have ICBM's, we are a financial key to China's continued financial success and we have a large military... surely you're not suggesting the US must toe the line and not talk with democratically elected leader of a nation we do extensive business with. How far the Chinese have come when they have even anonymous posters afraid of angering them.
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Thus, it looks to me that both Russia and the West are making big mistakes. We help them with weapons, you help them with general industrial growth. Stupid.
Not quite

In my last china visit for business my counterpart and myself had a frank talk and we agreed that in spite of the visible pissing contests what we were most interested in was our mutual business interests $$$$$

If Trump gets pressured he wont fire a shot but will re-do a treaty
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Hedging their bets? Article on Flight Global:-
Beijing receives first four Su-35s
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Snippet on NZ news tonight (10/1/2017 here) seemed to show
fighter jets launching & recovering to a Chinese carrier.
No idea of accuracy.
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