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The South China Sea's Gathering Storm

Old 30th May 2017, 19:16
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.




(Not much help in finding MH370, mind you).
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 06:42
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The far away threat just got a little closer to home. I wonder how much intelligence we have on Chinese weapons and counter measures?

Chinese navy transits English Channel.
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I should imagine very little.....seems to be the British way to muddle through, on the cheap.
The only thing going for it, is that it has got us this far, though I reckon more through luck than judgment. Let's hope this strategy takes us through the Brexit process......
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Possibly sailed to Russia to get some reliable spare parts.
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 05:29
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DISPATCH FROM DOKLAM: INDIANS DIG IN FOR THE LONG HAUL IN STANDOFF WITH CHINA

China will protect border with India Ďat all costsí
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 07:02
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Checked out Doklam on Google Maps yesty - what a god-forsaken spot.
Interesting reading about the relative strengths of the two countries' forces.
I'd always thought the Chinese would smash India as in `62.
But it seems India has a more capable Air-Force and Navy - and their navy would be a factor apparently - blockade to apply pressure some think.
But ultimately, China has more buckets of sunshine.
And they're mates with Pakistan.
Let's hope it doesn't escalate beyond shrieking at each other through the media...
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 12:18
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PLA communique issued yesterday:

"China's navy will temporarily seal off part of the Yellow Sea to maritime traffic for "large-scale" military purposes, authorities announced, ahead of the coming 90th anniversary of the founding of the People's Liberation Army."
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 17:22
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that article reads like one of those Indian articles published in 1962 - the PLA have much better logistics and better terrain on the Tibetan side than the Indians have to the south - if push comes to shove I'm sure they could repeat '62 fairly easily

If only the British had surveyed the whole lot properly and the Chinese had signed up to the maps pre-1914 we wouldn't be in this mess
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 17:48
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"We" are not in it......... yet, anyway.....
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Old 26th Jul 2017, 17:50
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If only the British had surveyed the whole lot properly and the Chinese had signed up to the maps pre-1914 we wouldn't be in this mess
Actually the Admiralty's Hydrographic Department did survey the whole area remarkably well.

As for China "signing up" to their ownership of the Spratley's and Paracels, they'd been Chinese for hundreds of years and neither the British nor American empires demurred until extremely recently. The Japanese did, but that was only for a few years.

The Vietnamese started to get a bit cocky once they'd trounced the greatest Empire the world has ever known during The American War and now they feel that they've gone a bit far in pinching Chinese-owned mineral wealth from the 9 or 11 dash area. They've instructed Odfjell Drilling to plug and abandon the well they are drilling in China's patch and to withdraw the drillship Metro 1 from the area.

American imperial power in the region is on the wane. They lost major bases such as Da Nang and Cam Ranh and Clark and Subic. They still have the bases which they pinched from Japan in 1945, but in general they are on the wane and everyone in the region knows it.
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June 2017: USS Coronado pulls into Cam Ranh, Vietnam for short maintenance
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American imperial power in the region is on the wane.

A little research shows your wishful thinking to be just that.
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Cazalet - I was thinking of the LAND border that caused the '62 War following Tartares post........

There the argument wasn't helped by poor maps - in the SCS no-one argues about the geographic locations - just how far you can push the boundary.......

The Chinese always used to be quite reasonable and adjusted the land boundary with most of their neighbours - but in the last 20 years they have started the "China as a Great Power" line and are pushing their sea boundaries wider and wider. As it takes two to agree any boundary it's causing a lot of this trouble.......
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 09:39
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The Chinese always used to be quite reasonable and adjusted the land boundary with most of their neighbours
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino...order_conflict

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...eclaim-siberia
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Originally Posted by ORAC
The far away threat just got a little closer to home. I wonder how much intelligence we have on Chinese weapons and counter measures?

Chinese navy transits English Channel.
"So your thinking of deploying your new flat-top (with an embarked USMC flight as you haven't any aircraft or it 笑声!!) in an attempt to intimidate us....
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Seems to me the deployment and intimidation is being done the other way round. Unless the Chinese navy is now going to claim the Baltic as Chinese national waters as well?
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I must admit - when I look at one belt, one road on a map, I am reminded of that sequence at the beginning of Dad's Army.
All those nasty arrows advancing across Europe.
India is kind of encircled - and China is pushing west over the top; China's plans for the road down into Pakistan and then on to a deep water port on the Arabian sea are fascinating, but... a little worrying to be honest.
Xi is a hard nosed strongman - and they are determined to assert their rightful place in history again.
Explains why all those MiGs were so damn busy when I visited Goa recently.
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 11:51
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If the theories are correct about China's intent, they would seem to be making the same mistake Germany made in '39. Picking on lots of opponents at the same time.
They may come to regret this.
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Just when we all need a little light relief along comes Boris

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ment-102772523

Is this just a cunning stunt to see if the Chinese want to buy the 2nd one. ' as new, never been used ' ?
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 00:02
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So Boris - are the new carriers coming down to the South China Sea - or not?
Sounded like a bit of a brain fart which he subsequently thought better of between opening his mouth and the Q&A, where he then contradicted himself.
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