Old Ironsides Deploys to Sea Again!
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I think you may need to look at the bigger picture here!
Us Brits are very used to operating the oldest ancient and underfunded kit in our forces, and the fact that you Americans have something older than us in service may have come as a bit of a shock
I think you may need to look at the bigger picture here!
Us Brits are very used to operating the oldest ancient and underfunded kit in our forces, and the fact that you Americans have something older than us in service may have come as a bit of a shock
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Ignore the sniping SASless, its a great looking ship and it is nice to see that there is a country that will pay to ensure that it's history is looked after rather than consigned to museums. 
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Perhaps it's a Q ship. The USA appear to have taken their eye off the ball
yes, you are correct regarding the Trim being renamed.... but as it was over 100 years ago, so I thought it was not so relevant.
The Victory is not rotting and is looking in fine fettle and almost fully open. it is a great example of the work our dockyard tradesmen can do.
The Constitution is a fine ship, even more remarkably preserved given the massive swings in the Boston climate.
I always find the legend of old ironsides very interesting. Her biggest claim to fame is she was the first USS to beat an English ship. The battle with Guerriere earned her the nickname of "Old Ironsides" and public adoration that has repeatedly saved her from scrapping. However, what is not remembered is the Guerriere was half the size and half the crew to the constitution, so pretty much a forgone conclusion.
The modern analogy would be a Raptor shooting down a hunter ... not exactly a fair fight, but a win all the same
If old Iron sides meet the Victory, as first rate ship of the line. The 100 odd cannon in a broadside would have probably shredded the timber now matter how well built. I am sure Victory would have taken a battering, but with over double the number of guns and crew it could probably take it
All the same, well done our colonial cousins for what they have achieved ! I just wish Victory could put to see now! ( and perhaps a tad jealous!)
The Victory is not rotting and is looking in fine fettle and almost fully open. it is a great example of the work our dockyard tradesmen can do.
The Constitution is a fine ship, even more remarkably preserved given the massive swings in the Boston climate.
I always find the legend of old ironsides very interesting. Her biggest claim to fame is she was the first USS to beat an English ship. The battle with Guerriere earned her the nickname of "Old Ironsides" and public adoration that has repeatedly saved her from scrapping. However, what is not remembered is the Guerriere was half the size and half the crew to the constitution, so pretty much a forgone conclusion.
The modern analogy would be a Raptor shooting down a hunter ... not exactly a fair fight, but a win all the same
If old Iron sides meet the Victory, as first rate ship of the line. The 100 odd cannon in a broadside would have probably shredded the timber now matter how well built. I am sure Victory would have taken a battering, but with over double the number of guns and crew it could probably take it
All the same, well done our colonial cousins for what they have achieved ! I just wish Victory could put to see now! ( and perhaps a tad jealous!)
The Victory is not rotting...
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It was the Guerriere and seven more British ships she sank or captured.
She has an interesting history....fighting Pirates, working against Slavers, and that small bit against the British.
Her successful escape from the British Flotilla in slack wind is the really good story....wooden oars and strong backs....pitching the anchor and heaving away. We have to look back on our ancestors on both sides and admire their seamanship.
Old Ironsides earns its name — History.com This Day in History — 8/19/1812
This is the bit of history I find really...really interesting!
Today....the US Navy ships have evaporators for making water and Ice Cream machines.....not so the old Navy! The consumption of liquids deserves some analysis.....as it seemed water rationing was very effective as noted by the replenishment inventory for various port calls.
http://www.cycboston.org/Little_know...nstitution.pdf
She has an interesting history....fighting Pirates, working against Slavers, and that small bit against the British.
Her successful escape from the British Flotilla in slack wind is the really good story....wooden oars and strong backs....pitching the anchor and heaving away. We have to look back on our ancestors on both sides and admire their seamanship.
Old Ironsides earns its name — History.com This Day in History — 8/19/1812
This is the bit of history I find really...really interesting!
Today....the US Navy ships have evaporators for making water and Ice Cream machines.....not so the old Navy! The consumption of liquids deserves some analysis.....as it seemed water rationing was very effective as noted by the replenishment inventory for various port calls.
http://www.cycboston.org/Little_know...nstitution.pdf
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Today....the US Navy ships have evaporators for making water and Ice Cream machines.....not so the old Navy!
Oh dear! SASless has just reminded me of the old WWII song, sung to the tune of "Anchors Aweigh" and presumably one explanation of how the USN survived before the days of "evaporators and Ice Cream":
There's a rumour 'round the harbour
That the Yanks are going to sea
With a bottle of coca-cola
An a Bloody great tub of ice cream.
With a bottle of coca-cola
And a Bloody big tub of ice cream
Well they're mighty fine lads in harbour
But oh my God at sea......
Jack
PS Spelling checked correct!
Oh dear! SASless has just reminded me of the old WWII song, sung to the tune of "Anchors Aweigh" and presumably one explanation of how the USN survived before the days of "evaporators and Ice Cream":
There's a rumour 'round the harbour
That the Yanks are going to sea
With a bottle of coca-cola
An a Bloody great tub of ice cream.
With a bottle of coca-cola
And a Bloody big tub of ice cream
Well they're mighty fine lads in harbour
But oh my God at sea......
Jack
PS Spelling checked correct!
Thread Starter
Heck....that sounds about like half the Royal Navy these days. Matter of fact it would be half the RN.
