Iran Air 655 Incident- ACI last night.
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(He's still a knob though!)
Fixed that for you
Originally Posted by AllTrimDoubt
(He's still a knob though!)
Fixed that for you
Besides which a "knob" might be deemed useful in life.....
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I also fired a Skyflash at a target floating in Cardigan Bay ably supported by AI-24 FOXHUNTER; so if the Iranian Tomcat/Hawk combination is able to do the same then that 54kg warhead in the missile would do considerable damage.
Fair enough LJ, I didn't know A-A radar could lock up stationary targets, but then again the Foxhunter was at least a generation more modern than the AWG-9.
Everything I ever read about AWG-9 made me believe that while it could detect such targets as you've described using search mode that it used doppler mode in the look down/shoot down scenario and so couldn't lock up a target that had no speed relative to the ground return in targeting mode.
I thought this was one of the weaknesses of the AWG-9 which wasn't resolved until the F-14D came along with the APG-71. I'm open to correction here though.
Like you said 54kg of a warhead is no joke.
Fair enough LJ, I didn't know A-A radar could lock up stationary targets, but then again the Foxhunter was at least a generation more modern than the AWG-9.
Everything I ever read about AWG-9 made me believe that while it could detect such targets as you've described using search mode that it used doppler mode in the look down/shoot down scenario and so couldn't lock up a target that had no speed relative to the ground return in targeting mode.
I thought this was one of the weaknesses of the AWG-9 which wasn't resolved until the F-14D came along with the APG-71. I'm open to correction here though.
Like you said 54kg of a warhead is no joke.
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It pretty much explains the lamentable state of media and journalism in the UK when some muppet watches a TV show, trolls a bit on a few web forums and from that considers himself an investigative journalist. What a chimp.
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An effective A-A RADAR needs doppler and pulse. If you want to lock a target going in the same direction at the same speed, it is in fact stationary relative to you. AWG-9 and AI24 achieves this with low and high PRF modes - more modern sets also have medium PRF that gives you a bit of both. Low PRF is good for measuring range and high PRF is needed to measure doppler.
As an EW man, I would reseanably confident that Hawk could be adapted for a ship shot - although I'm not 100%
All the best
LJ
Ps - sorry about spelling as I'm typing this on an iphone on the beach!
An effective A-A RADAR needs doppler and pulse. If you want to lock a target going in the same direction at the same speed, it is in fact stationary relative to you. AWG-9 and AI24 achieves this with low and high PRF modes - more modern sets also have medium PRF that gives you a bit of both. Low PRF is good for measuring range and high PRF is needed to measure doppler.
As an EW man, I would reseanably confident that Hawk could be adapted for a ship shot - although I'm not 100%
All the best
LJ
Ps - sorry about spelling as I'm typing this on an iphone on the beach!
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BEagle, whinging continuation noted, with disappointment, though I'll admit my tone was less than cordial. Didn't have to be.
You don't get to write the script.
Deal with it.
What ever happened to the stiff upper lip?
Let's put this in a way a pilot might understand.
Weather is part of your environment. If its down to min vis and min ceiling, and the cross wind's right on the edge, and ATC are up to their mitts in aircraft, and you're flying with an aircraft that has a couple of the avionics going a bit wrong, that is part of your environment.
Do you piss and moan, or do you get on with it and fly the approach as well and professionally as you can in the environment?
Well, In Real Life, certain parts of the world have armed ships mucking about for a wide variety of political reasons. They are part of the environment. Like the weather.
So, deal with it professionally, just as you would a problem in the air.
Leave the whinging to those who don't fly.
You don't get to write the script.
Deal with it.
What ever happened to the stiff upper lip?
Let's put this in a way a pilot might understand.
Weather is part of your environment. If its down to min vis and min ceiling, and the cross wind's right on the edge, and ATC are up to their mitts in aircraft, and you're flying with an aircraft that has a couple of the avionics going a bit wrong, that is part of your environment.
Do you piss and moan, or do you get on with it and fly the approach as well and professionally as you can in the environment?
Well, In Real Life, certain parts of the world have armed ships mucking about for a wide variety of political reasons. They are part of the environment. Like the weather.
So, deal with it professionally, just as you would a problem in the air.
Leave the whinging to those who don't fly.
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I'm open to correction here though.
Russia, China, spring to mind.
Israel has been widely reported as having provided clandestine support to Iran throughout the Iran-Iraq war, perhaps as late as the mid 80s.
Whether any of this 'support', imagined or otherwise, could make AWG-9 partially Air-Ground capable is moot, perhaps the Iranians have replaced it with a different unit. Fairly sure any int. on this wouldn't be revealed in any case.
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Whinging gits....
'Leave the whinging to those who don't fly. '
I fly and I'll whinge if I want to - especially if I'm toddling along an airway waiting for a missile up the arse due to operator incompetence.
I fly and I'll whinge if I want to - especially if I'm toddling along an airway waiting for a missile up the arse due to operator incompetence.
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It will be one of an on going chapter of experience.
This is always contentious. In the old days it was an eye for an eye. In modern times it is ' money. Money in many cases not necessarily to the deserving. To lose a son or daughter is tragic and no bucket of money can compensate. Loss of the family breadwinner on the other hand has a direct monetary effect and deserves a cash award.
So yes, some justice for some people but no way of erasing the pain.
Did the families of the victims receive justice ?
So yes, some justice for some people but no way of erasing the pain.
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what a crock of ****e PN. I haven’t looked at this shameful incident for a while, but from memory the USN ****** up big time. The US has got away without having to answer to the world for several incidents like this. They cannot expect to hold the likes of Russia to account when their own behaviour has been so poor.
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Its been and gone. Let it go FFS. You're not important enough in the grand scheme of things to warrant all this being re-opened because you're salivating about big bad Uncle Sam getting away with murder. Let it go FFS. Go and do something more interesting with your life, if you can.
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Just like none of the families of Pan Am 103 have received "justice", none of the Malaysian airliner that was shotdown have recieved "justice",
What makes this particular set of victims any more deserving of your bleeding heart sympathy than any other set, apart from the fact that there was an American Warship commander at the heart of it all?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/190th_Fighter_Squadron,_Blues_and_Royals_friendly_fire_incid ent
What makes this particular set of victims any more deserving of your bleeding heart sympathy than any other set, apart from the fact that there was an American Warship commander at the heart of it all?
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I see that the trolls and the politically impotent have returned to this topic, six years later.
Already identified as such six years ago.
Must be tough to be from what was once an empire and is now a shadow of its former self, kit344.
Go have a nice glass of warm milk and cry yourself to sleep.
The year is 2018.
Already identified as such six years ago.
Must be tough to be from what was once an empire and is now a shadow of its former self, kit344.
Go have a nice glass of warm milk and cry yourself to sleep.
The year is 2018.
Must be tough to be from what was once an empire and is now a shadow of its former self, kit344.
Go have a nice glass of warm milk and cry yourself to sleep.
The year is 2018.
Go have a nice glass of warm milk and cry yourself to sleep.
The year is 2018.
The families are still grieving, despite the blood money.
Perhaps America (the country, not the continent) will, one day, be great again
All empires come and go. And so will the US of A eventually. Until then you might just keep your cocky attitude and try to defy the inevitable.