Farnborough Airshow - What Gives?
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Farnborough Airshow - What Gives?
Went there for the first time yesterday. I had always assumed Farnborough (and Paris) was where the world' major aerospace companies came to show off their very latest and greatest shiny new planes. But this year - No F35, no F22, no Grippen NG, no Rafale, not much in the way of UAV's. No Russian jets at all (yes there was an An-2) On the civil side, no 787 or A350. Is Farnborough losing its cachet?
Also, well done the US DoD for providing tours around F16, F15, F18F, UH72, C130J, C17, MV22. But where the hell was the RAF static display??? A CH47 and a Hawk. No tours, no crews to talk to. Pretty rubbish on the RAF's home turf. I know the average Swiss watch company now has more planes than the RAF, but really
Anyway, all worth it in the end to see a flying Vulcan
Also great displays by Typhoon, F18 and A380.
Also, well done the US DoD for providing tours around F16, F15, F18F, UH72, C130J, C17, MV22. But where the hell was the RAF static display??? A CH47 and a Hawk. No tours, no crews to talk to. Pretty rubbish on the RAF's home turf. I know the average Swiss watch company now has more planes than the RAF, but really
Anyway, all worth it in the end to see a flying Vulcan
Also great displays by Typhoon, F18 and A380.
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I was surprised to see the Vulcan there, as only recently she suffered a surge on take-off roll on two adjacent engines, when Silica Gel sacks left in an intake (for "engine drying") were not removed before crew-in/start-up. The engine surged on take-off roll & coughed debris into its' neighbouring engine, which also surged. Take-off was aborted successfully.
I have no idea how the Tin Triangle handles with x2 donks out on the same side; I'm sure that the crew were glad not to have to explore this part of the envelope. I am amazed that a) there was perhaps no open Tech Log entry for these sacks being in the intake, & b) that no visual check of the intakes before engine start would seem to have revealed this? Last I heard, they were looking for another x2 engines......
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I have no idea how the Tin Triangle handles with x2 donks out on the same side; I'm sure that the crew were glad not to have to explore this part of the envelope. I am amazed that a) there was perhaps no open Tech Log entry for these sacks being in the intake, & b) that no visual check of the intakes before engine start would seem to have revealed this? Last I heard, they were looking for another x2 engines......
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The Qatar Airways 787 Dreamliner was there Monday to Wednesday
There was a Russian airliner near the Korean Airlines 737-800
A350 hasn't flown AFAIK
There was a Gripen right at the far end past the Hawker Beechcraft area and opposite the Colombian AF Herk
Plus if you recall Farnborough 2010 the Dreamliner was only there from Monday to Wednesday.
Alongside with Paris last year a few good bits are only for the first few days of business as in the first Sikorsky Cyclone for the RCAF was there till Wednesday.
Best days to see stuff and not have umpteen crowds in your way I find, is the trade days
plus crews to talk to
Cheers
The Qatar Airways 787 Dreamliner was there Monday to Wednesday
There was a Russian airliner near the Korean Airlines 737-800
A350 hasn't flown AFAIK
There was a Gripen right at the far end past the Hawker Beechcraft area and opposite the Colombian AF Herk
Plus if you recall Farnborough 2010 the Dreamliner was only there from Monday to Wednesday.
Alongside with Paris last year a few good bits are only for the first few days of business as in the first Sikorsky Cyclone for the RCAF was there till Wednesday.
Best days to see stuff and not have umpteen crowds in your way I find, is the trade days
plus crews to talk to Cheers
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Well the Vulcan flew fine at RIAT 48 hours earlier !
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Simple - Farnbough = sales show. World Recession = broke governments. Broke Governments = no military sales. Taking jets to a sales event where there aren't going be any sales = pointless.
Ps. I'm led to believe the RAF crews were by the jet for an extended period (10hrs) without so much as a bottle of water from BAE. Thanks
Ps. I'm led to believe the RAF crews were by the jet for an extended period (10hrs) without so much as a bottle of water from BAE. Thanks
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Farnborough will always be an industry event. The RAF is merely an end user who only gets involved when requested and there is a pointed benefit to UK PLC.
As you are probably aware the RAF has been rather busy, and the usual ring round for volunteers to man static a/c these days usually generates nil returns due spending time with family / trying to have a life. Those who do attend are usually pressed men hence the reluctance to participate.
Not wishing to be rude, but I would much rather spend time off with family and friends than standing in liquid sunshine next to my jet and being asked how many rivets there are on the ldg gear doors.
Farnborough will always be an industry event. The RAF is merely an end user who only gets involved when requested and there is a pointed benefit to UK PLC.
As you are probably aware the RAF has been rather busy, and the usual ring round for volunteers to man static a/c these days usually generates nil returns due spending time with family / trying to have a life. Those who do attend are usually pressed men hence the reluctance to participate.
Not wishing to be rude, but I would much rather spend time off with family and friends than standing in liquid sunshine next to my jet and being asked how many rivets there are on the ldg gear doors.
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Just to add my appreciation to both the Reds (x5) and the Tornado pair who both flew directly over my quarter. You made an RAF officer exhiled to live with the Army very happy indeed. 
F35 was there on the trade days outside the LM pavilion
Gripen was there on the trade days next to the runway
787 was there from Qatar Airways but it left early one morning I recall
Does the F22 ever actually appear in public ?
Gripen was there on the trade days next to the runway
787 was there from Qatar Airways but it left early one morning I recall
Does the F22 ever actually appear in public ?
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Hi A2, yes indeed that seems to be the case. Apologies to all for resurrecting this topic - I missed the discussion regarding this on another PpruNe thread! (I must pay attention......).
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F-35
I have a feeling that the F-35 was a plastic replica, and not a real one...
As others have said, it's much better if you can get in early in the week, on trade days. Several of the more interesting aircraft tend to leave by Wednesday. Weekends are Ok for general public viewing, but not so good if you've a professional interest, and diabolical if you want to photograph some of the aircraft.
I get the impression that it's very much an industry show (boy's days out) and they let in the great unwashed at the end of the week to subsidise it. My apologies if my personal view upsets some of your professionals. having attended all the shows since 1968, this has been my growing impression over that time, and not just during our recent recessions.
As others have said, it's much better if you can get in early in the week, on trade days. Several of the more interesting aircraft tend to leave by Wednesday. Weekends are Ok for general public viewing, but not so good if you've a professional interest, and diabolical if you want to photograph some of the aircraft.
I get the impression that it's very much an industry show (boy's days out) and they let in the great unwashed at the end of the week to subsidise it. My apologies if my personal view upsets some of your professionals. having attended all the shows since 1968, this has been my growing impression over that time, and not just during our recent recessions.
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Bob,
When I gotten my degree results literally week before Farnborough the other decade first thing I did was rush down in a suit and several cvs mid week bought a trade ticket on the gate unfortunately didn't get a chance to finish everything by end of play that day! Prior to that had always attended Tatar dys g Farnborough by the grace of someone's spare pass!
So figured I go on the Sunday (big mistake ) and the one and only time I ventured onto public day and milled around the proposed USCG HH-139 Deepwater mock up and was exchanging details with the then Bell Agusta rep only to be interrupted by a large family (+8) descended around me and fired a barrage of questions before rep business card found its way into my paws! So the guy inadvertantly politely turned away from me and gave the large family (led by a generously proportioned gypsy type lady who was doing the shouting). Funny question she asked did it fly considering it was a mock up minus blades
When I gotten my degree results literally week before Farnborough the other decade
first thing I did was rush down in a suit and several cvs mid week bought a trade ticket on the gate unfortunately didn't get a chance to finish everything by end of play that day! Prior to that had always attended Tatar dys g Farnborough by the grace of someone's spare pass!So figured I go on the Sunday (big mistake ) and the one and only time I ventured onto public day and milled around the proposed USCG HH-139 Deepwater mock up and was exchanging details with the then Bell Agusta rep only to be interrupted by a large family (+8) descended around me and fired a barrage of questions before rep business card found its way into my paws! So the guy inadvertantly politely turned away from me and gave the large family (led by a generously proportioned gypsy type lady who was doing the shouting). Funny question she asked did it fly considering it was a mock up minus blades
SBAC....
As an air-mad 'baby boomer' of the 1950s, the Farnborough Air Show was one of the very few aviation events shown on the 2-channel 405-line TV of the day and was keenly anticipated. The voice of Raymond Baxter describing each BRITISH aircraft was always to be heard...
I then went there in 1966 as a guest of the Fleet Air Arm. In the coal-hole of an 892 Sqn Sea Vixen F(AW)Mk2, thanks to the kindness of their Boss! I recall lots of 'g' during the 'rocket attcak' and being rather airsick as we held waiting for the run-in, but it didn't dent my enthusiasm for a career as a military pilot.
At Valley, we were all expecting to watch the Farnborough Air Show one Sunday when BBC Druidvision announced that they would be showing a Welsh classical music programme instead...the TV only just escaped destruction! "Dim Ffrnbryw" indeed!
In the early 1980s, I went on a sqn push from Wattisham and the displays were still pretty good. Then in the mid-80s, I went a couple of times while IAM still existed; you could park there (if you knew a mate), have coffee in the OM, then stroll down through the gate to 'do' the exhibitions and blag the odd G&T from people such as Flight International or Flight Refuelling. Apart from flying the press in a VC10K to film the MiG 29s arriving in 1988, the next time I went was when I manged to win the 'squadron ticket' in 1992, which allowed me to escape UAS Summer Camp QFI-ing for a day.
Then I went as a guest on 25 July 2000. Well looked-after; the hosting company was very generous and grateful for the VC10K flypasts I'd managed to have approved, so watching the display from their chalet was very enjoyable. But as I drove home, the news came in of the AF4590 Concorde crash which had occurred just as I'd left the show.....
A couple of years ago the weather was very hot and the walk from the car park at Gate I seemed endless. The exhibitions were quite well attended and the display included A400M, A380, Typhoon and the like. Quite an extensive static display too. BŁoody annoying to have to go through that 'airport security' nonsense at the entrance though.
But this year, the weather was awful even on the best weather trade day. Fortunately I was there to meet people with aeroplanes large enough to keep the rain off! Including the A400M 'Atlas', which any trucky lucky enough to fly will simply adore. Exhibition halls virtually empty (and a very poor guide to the locations of exhibitors) and the flying display was very brief indeed. MV-22 excellent and I want a Gripen for Christmas! I was warned that the car parks were swamp-like, so took the train - but the organisers hadn't rigged up any bus shelters for people waiting for the shuttle back to North Camp. Why ever not? Hardly rocket science after 3 days of pouring rain to work out that some scaffolding and an awning or two might be a good idea? Took ages to get back to North Camp - then a piddling little 3 coach train turned up, so it was sardine class all the way to Reading.
Farnborough most certainly is a mere shadow of its former self, when it was THE airshow of the year. Was it worth Ł30 to attend? No, it most certainly was not. But I'll probably go again....
I then went there in 1966 as a guest of the Fleet Air Arm. In the coal-hole of an 892 Sqn Sea Vixen F(AW)Mk2, thanks to the kindness of their Boss! I recall lots of 'g' during the 'rocket attcak' and being rather airsick as we held waiting for the run-in, but it didn't dent my enthusiasm for a career as a military pilot.
At Valley, we were all expecting to watch the Farnborough Air Show one Sunday when BBC Druidvision announced that they would be showing a Welsh classical music programme instead...the TV only just escaped destruction! "Dim Ffrnbryw" indeed!
In the early 1980s, I went on a sqn push from Wattisham and the displays were still pretty good. Then in the mid-80s, I went a couple of times while IAM still existed; you could park there (if you knew a mate), have coffee in the OM, then stroll down through the gate to 'do' the exhibitions and blag the odd G&T from people such as Flight International or Flight Refuelling. Apart from flying the press in a VC10K to film the MiG 29s arriving in 1988, the next time I went was when I manged to win the 'squadron ticket' in 1992, which allowed me to escape UAS Summer Camp QFI-ing for a day.
Then I went as a guest on 25 July 2000. Well looked-after; the hosting company was very generous and grateful for the VC10K flypasts I'd managed to have approved, so watching the display from their chalet was very enjoyable. But as I drove home, the news came in of the AF4590 Concorde crash which had occurred just as I'd left the show.....
A couple of years ago the weather was very hot and the walk from the car park at Gate I seemed endless. The exhibitions were quite well attended and the display included A400M, A380, Typhoon and the like. Quite an extensive static display too. BŁoody annoying to have to go through that 'airport security' nonsense at the entrance though.
But this year, the weather was awful even on the best weather trade day. Fortunately I was there to meet people with aeroplanes large enough to keep the rain off! Including the A400M 'Atlas', which any trucky lucky enough to fly will simply adore. Exhibition halls virtually empty (and a very poor guide to the locations of exhibitors) and the flying display was very brief indeed. MV-22 excellent and I want a Gripen for Christmas! I was warned that the car parks were swamp-like, so took the train - but the organisers hadn't rigged up any bus shelters for people waiting for the shuttle back to North Camp. Why ever not? Hardly rocket science after 3 days of pouring rain to work out that some scaffolding and an awning or two might be a good idea? Took ages to get back to North Camp - then a piddling little 3 coach train turned up, so it was sardine class all the way to Reading.
Farnborough most certainly is a mere shadow of its former self, when it was THE airshow of the year. Was it worth Ł30 to attend? No, it most certainly was not. But I'll probably go again....
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Back in the 60's and 70's I had a 'frequent visitors pass' for RAE and would very often nip in the Pyestock gate, find a suitable vantage point and just watch the show. Just occasionally I'd go into the show area but not very often.
I remember one company that used to put out all it's unwanted brochures left over from overseas sales drives on Sat/Sun as it was a good way of getting rid of them
I remember one company that used to put out all it's unwanted brochures left over from overseas sales drives on Sat/Sun as it was a good way of getting rid of them
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I think it cynical of the organisers (still SBAC?) to advertise the public events at the weekend without telling the public that some of the major attractions won't be there.
Some of the public days I attended last century were up to RIAT standard and I still remember the first Concorde flypast to this day.
Sad to see such an institution lose its gloss.
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Some of the public days I attended last century were up to RIAT standard and I still remember the first Concorde flypast to this day.
Sad to see such an institution lose its gloss.
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Lazer Hound,
Two Russian Knight Su-27s were down to attend Farnborough. Red tape got in the way.
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...eek-fboro.html
The Russians did send a Yak-130. The Yak was flying during the trade days.
Two Russian Knight Su-27s were down to attend Farnborough. Red tape got in the way.
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...eek-fboro.html
The Russians did send a Yak-130. The Yak was flying during the trade days.
Would certainly agree that the weekend provided a subsidy to the rest of the week. Ł32.40 to feed a family of four a burger from a malnourished animal (I can't with hand on heart say it was a cow) and some chips was a bl00dy disgrace. The Blades were phenomenal as ever and particularly enjoyed the F18 display, very impressive. Mrs WWW was casting a wistful eye at the departures gate while I sighed at the Vulcan. Such a shame they don't do the 'old' display take off...
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Lazer-Hound, I think you're a little unfair given that there was a Sukhoi Superjet, an F18, a number of drones and a Hawk and a Eurofighter displayed on the ground. Remember we're in the middle of rather a financial squeeze and defence budgets aren't excluded. If things pick up then Farnborough 2014 will probably be a little more lively.
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I must admit I do not go to major shows these days and probably not for the last 20 years due to the ever decreasing airshow displays and static park that seems to be inversely proportional to the traffic and queuing... I normally take in the likes of Bruntingthorpe that organises an excellent little show with stuff of old blasting up and down the runway... I did however go to Cosford and admittedly the weather was on not on their side, but a poor airshow with next to no content and a next to non existant static line reinforced why I stopped going to them..... Oh and numpties putting up tents to sit in on the crowd line, something organisers should stop, made me realise why they are simply not worth the Ł25 Cosford was charging.
This was at the last QRA scramble show at Bruntingthorpe
This was at the last QRA scramble show at Bruntingthorpe