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Words come back to haunt you ?

Old 6th Jul 2012, 22:16
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No, nukes have to keep the pumps circulating the coolant to the reactor whereas a diesel can turn everything off virtually to become noise free.
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Old 6th Jul 2012, 22:43
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Melchett, That'd be why I referred to Long range maritime patrol
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Old 6th Jul 2012, 22:43
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Baldeep,

WE HAVE A MARITIME PATROL AIRCRAFT!!! The Merlin is superb at this role - speak to the guys and gals at a secret airbase in Cornwall. It is the dogs danglies and really rather competent at this role. The fixed wing brethren need to understand that they do not have a monopoly on ability or effectiveness. Need supplies delivered to a mountain site in Afghanistan? Answer...rotary. Want rescuing? Rotary. Need some bad men killed at close quarter? Rotary (AH - anyone care to argue?!). Need a maritime aircraft that can move with the fleet and kill subs - ...you know the rest...
I'm not qualified to discuss the merits of rotary vs fixed wing. Is a helicopter as defendable when the chips are down though, in the maritime role?
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Old 6th Jul 2012, 23:02
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WE HAVE A MARITIME PATROL AIRCRAFT!!! The Merlin is superb at this role

Pray tell, how is Merlin going to protect the CVs from subs equipped with missiles like the SS-N-19 or similar?
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Old 6th Jul 2012, 23:59
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What's that? A dark blue type with no actual understanding of air warfare, playing gifted amateur at the professional's game? Well, that's a first...
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 00:20
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Did I misunderstand or did someone fit 'go on ops', 'go to war', 'make a difference' and lastly 'sharp end' into a sentence about grey Merlin?

Well, hurrah!

If only there was some way fixed wing air power could contribute to the 'odd couple of things' not encompassed by mountain re-supply, rescue, killing baddies at close range and ASW. Which technically can be solved by donkey, small boat, knife, big boat (or a sand bank (just) off Scotland).

I saw a jet just the other day - must have been a museum piece. I also saw a helicopter crop dusting which I thought looked quite good fun. Then I noticed an aeroplane doing the same thing and came to my very own opinion that maybe the two were complimentary. I couldn't help wondering whether the same was true of military aviation and in fairness didn't stop to see if a crop dusting drone showed up.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 09:11
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Orca,

The Old Flying Machine Co have Typhoon FGR and Tornado GR4 in their collection, for those who are too young to remember. They are kept flying to remind us of the days of yore when such platforms were key to the liberation of the Libyan people, the sovereign defence of the UK' airspace (including an Olympiad).

Clearly they could never replace the Swiss Army Wokka these days - that would be absurd.

Ask anybody going through EFT right now; they all want to fly helicopters. Been that way since 1903


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Old 7th Jul 2012, 11:48
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ExAscoteer,

Didn't I say that in post 14......?

Or is my post invisible? Must be, as nobody has commented on it...
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 12:38
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So you did Biggus, I must have missed your post.

Terribly sorry.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 16:03
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I read it too, and swear it will leave a deep and abiding impression,
just as soon as I stop laughing about the helo joke the other geezer cracked.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 20:53
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Back to the OP's point:
I never liked that prat, but if he's as honest as Tuc says he may make a strange politician.
I would worry about the future of police under the control of any ex-military star-holder - they are not a force but a service.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 21:28
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Baldeep!!!

Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Good work.

Yoof today eh?

Bet your mates from MR2 on Merlin don't agree with you.
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Old 8th Jul 2012, 10:55
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Regarding the OP of words coming back to haunt us - I feel that any statement about the military needs of/threats to the UK should be followed by the phrase "but of course any threat to the UK will be dependant on our government, not the changeable powers overseas. After all, new politicians will have fresh new ideas about the nature of dangers to our shores and they are naturally the best placed to decide how to meet these threats."
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Old 8th Jul 2012, 12:46
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Oh dear, that is more frightening than the mere threat of an SSBN strike
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Old 8th Jul 2012, 16:58
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It'll all change again when autonomous submarines get going properly. With no need to keep the jolly tars fed, watered and oxygenated you get loiter times in years, a flexibility of form factors and function that really is limited only by how smart your computers are, and low, low cost of entry.

(The only thing stopping this being as much of a funfest as UAVs are now is the fact that developed world navies think they're an employment bureau, a factor encouraged by governments. Won't cut much mustard when the balloon goes up - or, most probably, down)
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Old 8th Jul 2012, 19:06
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Bigus Sub Noises

Nuc subs have lots of pumps etc running, the smallest error in soundproofing allows sound to escape and sub to be detected, identified

Diesel subs running on batts have only slick electric motors running so no pumpy things

Hardest subs to find are some Dutch which started life as nuc so had lots of soundproofing but government changed so they were no longer acceptable and during build only diesel elect installed so have lots of soundproofing on electric motors silence
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Old 8th Jul 2012, 19:22
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Tinribs,

Thanks - but I actually know quite a bit about submarine noise sources, I was trying to keep things simple and open source......
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