FRI v PVR
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FRI v PVR
Hello Ladies & Gents, after nearly 20 years in the light blue, I have come to the end of my motivation, it's time to go.
My FRI is going to have to go back to the treasury.
Has anyone on the forum been through an FRI payback process? I would appreciate any tips or advice you may have, or experience of the attitude of the deskies etc. PM or in the open forum. Thanks all.
My FRI is going to have to go back to the treasury.
Has anyone on the forum been through an FRI payback process? I would appreciate any tips or advice you may have, or experience of the attitude of the deskies etc. PM or in the open forum. Thanks all.
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You'll be lucky. If you took FRI3 of £80,000 or £100,000 (SO2) in the last 2 years or so you need to read the small print of what you signed carefully.
The FRI3 paperwork states clearly that by accepting the FRI you rescind the right to PVR for the 5 years ROS.
When they retired my ac type last year I asked manning very nicely if they would consider releasing me under the exceptional circumstances clause and pay back the FRI. The answer was a categoric NO. The statement from manning was that no-one would be released from ROS on FRIs or other ROS under any circumstances bar extreme cases. Just wanting to change ones mind was not justification.
I do not know if you would have any legal case. That route did not appeal to me as a little word in my personal lexicon called integrity meant that I accept their decision as I signed the paperwork accepting the FRI and its associated conditions and I will abide by my word. Before anyone bites and says "but you did try to get out of it", yes I did, but I did it politely by asking if it were possible, being fully aware that the likely answer would be no, and prepared to abide by the decision. I also did it with the full support of my command chain and deskie, as at that time they did not have a post for me to fill, something which was rectified soon after.
Sorry if my response is not what you wished for, but all I can suggest is that you ask. Times may have changed since I did, and all circumstances are different.
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The FRI3 paperwork states clearly that by accepting the FRI you rescind the right to PVR for the 5 years ROS.
When they retired my ac type last year I asked manning very nicely if they would consider releasing me under the exceptional circumstances clause and pay back the FRI. The answer was a categoric NO. The statement from manning was that no-one would be released from ROS on FRIs or other ROS under any circumstances bar extreme cases. Just wanting to change ones mind was not justification.
I do not know if you would have any legal case. That route did not appeal to me as a little word in my personal lexicon called integrity meant that I accept their decision as I signed the paperwork accepting the FRI and its associated conditions and I will abide by my word. Before anyone bites and says "but you did try to get out of it", yes I did, but I did it politely by asking if it were possible, being fully aware that the likely answer would be no, and prepared to abide by the decision. I also did it with the full support of my command chain and deskie, as at that time they did not have a post for me to fill, something which was rectified soon after.
Sorry if my response is not what you wished for, but all I can suggest is that you ask. Times may have changed since I did, and all circumstances are different.
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Thanks for your response English P.
Clearly, loss of motivation is not exceptional circumstances! Hopefully my case will be considered on its merits, If indeed I proceed with my application.
Clearly, loss of motivation is not exceptional circumstances! Hopefully my case will be considered on its merits, If indeed I proceed with my application.
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I believe if you are successful you will be required to pay back the whole amount and then claim the tax back from HMRC that you paid on the original payment. The service maintain that Income Tax paid is between you and HMRC.
It would be interesting to determine the depth and breadth of your loss of motivation, which now makes it imperative that you leave the RAF - as Terry Wogan would say - in a marked manner.
I think I would be 'doing the sums' very carefully first and would ask myself the question: is my loss of motivation and my desire to leave of such a level as to stop me seeing my normal time out with any reasonable expectation of job satisfaction?
If the answer is that you cannot possibly continue, you could always explore becoming a pacifist and joining the Society of Friends (Quakers) - but please don't do it just for selfish reasons. I don't support the Quakers but their beliefs are honourable and sincerely held and I accept their right to those beliefs.
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I think I would be 'doing the sums' very carefully first and would ask myself the question: is my loss of motivation and my desire to leave of such a level as to stop me seeing my normal time out with any reasonable expectation of job satisfaction?
If the answer is that you cannot possibly continue, you could always explore becoming a pacifist and joining the Society of Friends (Quakers) - but please don't do it just for selfish reasons. I don't support the Quakers but their beliefs are honourable and sincerely held and I accept their right to those beliefs.
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Motley call sign, thankfully you are wrong in this instance. As of FRI3 the tax situation was sorted between HMRC and MOD. The paperwork on the FRI states now if you are allowed to leave under exceptional circumstances you must pay back only the net amount received. MOD will then negotiate with HMRC for who gets dibs on the tax paid!
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Old Duffer,
I don't wish this thread to become yet another one about how terrible everything is, but lets just say, 'things ain't what they used to be'. It is simply that I see little chance of interesting opportunities in the job satisfaction stakes, by my own, personal measure. There's no doubt that it was my choice to take the FRI and I'll have to live with it, most probably. I made a mistake in some respects, and circumstances have also changed in many respects since I applied. Whether those circumstances are exceptional - well I guess I'll find out!! I'll ignore the quaker suggestion!
English P.
Thanks for the update on the Tax. It will make things a lot simpler to sort, even though it doesn't affect the overall bank balance in the end.
I don't wish this thread to become yet another one about how terrible everything is, but lets just say, 'things ain't what they used to be'. It is simply that I see little chance of interesting opportunities in the job satisfaction stakes, by my own, personal measure. There's no doubt that it was my choice to take the FRI and I'll have to live with it, most probably. I made a mistake in some respects, and circumstances have also changed in many respects since I applied. Whether those circumstances are exceptional - well I guess I'll find out!! I'll ignore the quaker suggestion!
English P.
Thanks for the update on the Tax. It will make things a lot simpler to sort, even though it doesn't affect the overall bank balance in the end.
