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Old 19th Jun 2012, 21:50
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I thought "A Soldier's Song"" was/is the official Irish Anthem, but largely superseded by "Ireland's Call", and I notice at both rugby tests between the All Blacks and Ireland currently in NZ it was the latter song that was sung.
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Old 19th Jun 2012, 22:10
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What happens now at the Commonwealth Games? I have a vague memory that the home nations sang their own anthems, and 'Land of Hope and Glory' was sung when England won a gold medal. Unsure on that, but if incorrect, will no doubt be advised accordingly.
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Irish rugby is a All Ireland sport hence why interchange Anthem of Irish Republic and afforementioned Irelands call.

My Irish rugby mates have fairly clear comments on Irelands call mostly unrepeatable.........

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Old 19th Jun 2012, 22:30
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Do Scots fly a flag in their cars to warn that the driver is an idiot or two flags to indicate severe idiocy
Not sure you'd be able to buy a vehicle borne saltire, not much demand for them.

Last time the Jockenese qualified for a major tournament was over 14 years ago (France 98) when they got a bit of sun and a point from a 1-1 with Norway and were back home within a fortnight

They do have a keen interest in supporting all the major tournaments, just not their closest neighbours.



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While we are on the subject of National Anthems, I've spent many years in Canada and the States. Although I'm not a US citizen, I really like the "Star Spangled Banner", not only because of the rousing tune but also the words.

Not many of my American friends realize this, but the "rockets" causing the "red glare" were British!

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The only time you will see a Union Jack is when flown from the (bow) jackstaff of HM War Canoe berthed alongside or at anchor.

Otherwise, it is the Union Flag.........

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Well said HB. I saw a Union flag the other day that had been printed with the correct format on the top half and an upside down format on the lower half - very confusing for a minute. Why not have 'Land of Hope and Glory' as the England national anthem and 'God Save the Queen' when Her Majesty is present, or it's a UK team playing ie the British Lions etc.
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Since sports teams have been brought up lets look at Cricket. No National Anthems at Test matches (unless the Queen is making her annual visit to Lords) but the England Team have Jerusalem blaring out as the teams take the field. It actually gets most of the crowd up on their feet and singing it and at least one Test Cricketer has admitted he found it intimidating!. Scotland and Ireland have their own cricket teams but England has first shout on their players so shouldn't the England team be the UK team? Tin hat on awaiting incoming!
ps Didn't the Americans fly the Union Flag upside down recently during Camerons visit?
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so shouldn't the England team be the UK team?
no

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Old 20th Jun 2012, 07:56
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I'm with Billy Connolly on this one; the theme from 'The Archers' is easy-enough to learn.
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I suspect part of the problem is that Eng-er-land is so large, in comparison to the other Home Nations, that they don't have a unified National identity. There is no English national dress, is there a national dish? A traditional dance?

If you were to ask a Geordie, a Yorkshireman, a Cornish man and a Man of Kent (or a Kentish man, they can't even agree on that and they're from the same county....) what a quintessentially English dish was, would they agree with each other?

Morris dancing is very English isn't it? But then again dancing around with bells tied around your legs, and hitting each other on the head with a piece of wood is hardly stirringly patriotic is it?
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I thought "A Soldier's Song"" was/is the official Irish Anthem, but largely superseded by "Ireland's Call", and I notice at both rugby tests between the All Blacks and Ireland currently in NZ it was the latter song that was sung.
That is the anthem of the Republic of Ireland/EIRE/Free state. Irelands Call was written to be an inclusive anthem which recognises the presence of players from NI. Soldier song is only played at home games; away games gets the Ireland Call treatment.
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Morris dancing is very English isn't it? But then again dancing around with bells tied around your legs, and hitting each other on the head with a piece of wood is hardly stirringly patriotic is it?
Patriotic or not, I fear it'll be an integral part of the opening ceremony at Seb's big sportsfest.

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Old 20th Jun 2012, 10:43
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I always thought that 'land of hope and glory' was effectively the English national anthem. You have got to remember though that succesive governments have pursued a policy of 'English patriotism' BAD, Scottish, Welsh or Irish patriotism GOOD, look at the last census form where you could say that you were Scottish, Welsh, Irish or British but not English and why no purely English parliament........ rant rant rant rant
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That is the anthem of the Republic of Ireland/EIRE/Free state. Irelands Call was written to be an inclusive anthem which recognises the presence of players from NI. Soldier song is only played at home games; away games gets the Ireland Call treatment.
The official "anthem" of the Irish rugby team is "Ireland's Call" as stated, it is an inclusive anthem due to the fact that the team comprises players from both parts of the island.

The Eire anthem "The Soldiers Song" is only played at home games when the President is in attendance, its a protocol issue, nowt to do with rugby.
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I suspect part of the problem is that Eng-er-land is so large, in comparison to the other Home Nations, that they don't have a unified National identity. There is no English national dress, is there a national dish? A traditional dance?

If you were to ask a Geordie, a Yorkshireman, a Cornish man and a Man of Kent (or a Kentish man, they can't even agree on that and they're from the same county....) what a quintessentially English dish was, would they agree with each other?
You could ask the same question of a Spanish/Catalunian/Basque, a French/Breton/Basque/Parisian or any combination of regional identities within many countries. There is no National Dress/Dish but a host of regional ones. Take Spain as one example, Flamenco is regarded as a typical Spanish dance/culture but is in fact, traditional Andalusian.

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Old 20th Jun 2012, 17:53
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National dish, I was going to suggest my favourite Yorkshire pudding but I suppose that would by too regional. How about Spotted Dick and custard.
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Old 20th Jun 2012, 17:56
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Excellent English dish, bloody good song.
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