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SNP propose 7 Airbases for Scotland post Independence

Old 4th Jun 2012, 23:12
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Did not the whole mutual antipathy kick off with Penis Law's comments about not supporting England during the winning World Cup run of 1966?

No, it kicked off one week-end in the 12th century. On the Friday night the English yobs climbed over the wall, went on the piss and raped and pillaged.

On the Saturday night, the Scots gents went south for a shandy and made love and borrowed things.

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Old 5th Jun 2012, 00:46
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'Ang on 'ang on a moment... My old Mums house and Nutloose's youthful tramping grounds are Norf' of t' wall by some 100 odd yards..... But in England.... Let's not start shifting borders about... One does not want to become known as a Jock.... No offence meant, they're alright and all that, but I'd look awful in a skirt..

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Old 5th Jun 2012, 10:25
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Good point NutLoose sorry, I meant to say McNutLoose, if we used Hadrian's Wall as the border, then Newcasle & Carlisle would be back in Scotland ! Do we (as Scot's) really want that ?

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Old 6th Jun 2012, 19:08
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Now Here's a Thought

When the referendum happens the counts will presumably be regional/constituency based. If a clear majority in say Lothian, or Shetland vote to stay could we see a split Scotland like we have a split Ireland? Surely the SNP couldn't claim moral authority to deny Shetlanders the right to stay in the Union if that is what they vote for - precious few Saltires to be seen flying in the northern islands!

Just a thought .....
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Old 6th Jun 2012, 19:28
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I see that the standard of reporting in The Scotsman remains at an all-time low.

Veil of secrecy after MoD axes 17bn of kit

I just love the caption beneath the picture of three Nimrods!!

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Old 6th Jun 2012, 20:56
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I just love the caption beneath the picture of three Nimrods!!
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Old 7th Jun 2012, 17:45
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Did not the whole mutual antipathy kick off with Penis Law's comments about not supporting England during the winning World Cup run of 1966?

I well remember the English anger at the churlish remarks.

The Scots went straight away from 'friends/ tolerated' level to abeam France ................

As for Scottish goalkeepers ................
Thats the problem with the English, they just can't take a joke!
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Old 8th Jun 2012, 08:39
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What would a ScAF look like?

probably more like the Irish Air Arm than the RAF I'd have thought

ASR helicopters, marine patrol and a 747-8 for for the First Minister would just about cover it
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Old 8th Jun 2012, 12:48
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Now Here's a Thought

When the referendum happens the counts will presumably be regional/constituency based. If a clear majority in say Lothian, or Shetland vote to stay could we see a split Scotland like we have a split Ireland? Surely the SNP couldn't claim moral authority to deny Shetlanders the right to stay in the Union if that is what they vote for - precious few Saltires to be seen flying in the northern islands!

Just a thought .....
The north of England, Scotland and Wales consistently vote Labour at General Elections but are often saddled with a Conservative government based on the larger number of votes cast for the Tories in the south of England.

Just as a Tory government can claim to have moral authority over the parts of the UK that didn't vote for it, so the SNP (or whichever party governs an independent Scotland) could claim to have the same moral authority over parts of the country that may not have voted for independence.

The will of the majority would prevail - it's called democracy.
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The north of England, Scotland and Wales consistently vote Labour at General Elections but are often saddled with a Conservative government based on the larger number of votes cast for the Tories in the south of England.
Or, of course, the centre and south of England (and actually large parts of the north) are often saddled with a Labour Government based on the larger (questionable) number of votes cast for Labour in the inner cities and Scotland. Just for the cause of balance you understand.

I still think that if the Union is to be dissolved then all voters in the Union should get a vote. Would be intersting to see what the results would be if there was a vote on the EU right now. Would Scotland vote to stay but England vote to leave. What if the majority in the Union wanted to leave?
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I still think that if the Union is to be dissolved then all voters in the Union should get a vote.
I see your point, but not sure I agree. If a country wants to secede from a political union then it up to the citizens of that country to make that decision.

Could you imagine a Soviet Union-wide vote on the granting of independence for its consituent countries going the way of the secessionists? The Baltic states, Ukraine etc would still be part of the greater Russian empire because the Russians who made up the bulk of the Soviet populace would never have voted for it - why would they?

If such a voting sytem were introduced anywhere in the world it would always go against those seeking independence and instead go the way of the larger union as it has the larger population.

If Scotland wants independence then they should vote on it without interference from beyond its borders, and the same is true for England and Wales.

Ps; I'm not Scottish.

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Old 8th Jun 2012, 15:44
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Originally Posted by melmothtw View Post

If such a voting sytem were introduced anywhere in the world it would always go against those seeking independence .......

If England was able to vote on the issue, I doubt if any Bookies would take any bets on Scotland remaining part of the Union.

If the Jocks want to split the UK, let the UK vote and help them on their merry way.
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If England was able to vote on the issue, I doubt if any Bookies would take any bets on Scotland remaining part of the Union.

If the Jocks want to split the UK, let the UK vote and help them on their merry way.
Yes, you say that because it's easy to be flippant on an internet forum, but if push came to shove I would wager that the majority of those in the UK would vote to retain the status quo.
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Stop it.... My mum lives norf of t' wall, and there is no way we are Scots..
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Stop it.... My mum lives norf of t' wall, and there is no way we are Scots..
Given your recent history of being 'positionally-challenged', I wouldn't put any money on it.

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Damn those pasty eaters
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Damn them indeed. Oi luvs the little Korns, but I couldn't eat a whole one.
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Old 8th Jun 2012, 20:07
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Yes, you say that because it's easy to be flippant on an internet forum, but if push came to shove I would wager that the majority of those in the UK would vote to retain the status quo.


Of course they would, because the majority realise that we are both much stronger together than we would be apart. However, that's only really the case if we continue to have common fiscal policies decided centrally by Westminster. No surprise there; the German government and the rest of the EuroZone are now finally beginning to realise that common fiscal policies and federal governance are perhaps the only way out of the Euro monetary crisis.

Perhaps I've got this wrong, but it seems like the SNP want fiscal independence for Scotland whilst keeping the security of staying within the SterlingZone. However, we saw what happened in Greece (and other countries) when they were allowed just that when joining the Eurozone; profligate spending ruined them and has brought the EuroZone to its knees! Sadly you can see signs of that trend of profligate spending in Scotland already; free university education etc etc.

So in my view, everyone in the UK has to wake up and smell the coffee. If we are going to stay out of the EuroZone and continue to exist as a strong sovereign state, we should work together to common policies and with one governing body that sets the rules for all. The alternative is to let Scotland go its own way with its own currency - there is no middle ground.


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Old 8th Jun 2012, 20:17
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I heard the new currency the Scottish were considering was the Groat as it was a coinage previously used by several countries including Scotland, but to delineate it as the new currency they are going to precede the coin with the letter S for Scotland, so the new currency will be the Sgroat.

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