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Originally Posted by ShyTorque:
Fact is, the "rogue" aircraft had already been visually idented by another civilian aircraft, before the fighter/s arrived.
Originally Posted by ShyTorque:
Fact is, the "rogue" aircraft had already been visually idented by another civilian aircraft, before the fighter/s arrived.
Identified maybe, but identified as friendly? If its status was still in doubt then the Typhoon could still be required to terminate the flight.
A pilot squawking that he has a problem and therefore requires assistance (or even not, as we know, yesterday's incident was an innocent mistake) is to be "terminated" by the RAF air defence forces?
So, would you, as aircrew, in an emergency, ever be willing to use your own transponder to notify supposedly your "friendly" ATC unit who will in fact now alert the UK military to home in on you to "terminate" you?
I can't see many pilots over UK squawking any one of the distress codes from now on. I certainly won't be doing so; I'd rather take my chances without RAF "assistance".
Just a thought
Having read through all the four pages of the thread, one thing occurred to me. Nobody actually congratulated the people involved for seeing a possible problem, getting the jets airborne and vectored onto the target pretty damned quickly....
As a tax paying ember of the great unwashed, thank you for doing a totally professional job.
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Just what is Beadwindow, or is that sneaky beaky stuff as well?
As a tax paying ember of the great unwashed, thank you for doing a totally professional job.
BTW;
Just what is Beadwindow, or is that sneaky beaky stuff as well?
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Beadwindow? Don't mention it.
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Considering that so many locals didn't know what the sound was (from the you tube clips), you are not far from the truth.
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I don't understand all the fuss over a couple of booms. When I were a kid the Phantoms at Yeovilton regularly boomed all over the southwest, we used to try to count how many we could hear in a day. Never a complaint about damage. In fact when the Phantoms were moved north, some local residents complained about not being able to hear them
And its not so many years since you could set your clocks by the westbound afternoon Concordes lighting up - one British over the Bristol Channel, one French over the English Channel. From my parents house you cold hear both
And its not so many years since you could set your clocks by the westbound afternoon Concordes lighting up - one British over the Bristol Channel, one French over the English Channel. From my parents house you cold hear both
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Oh I remember my training well
75 taken alive,
76 in a fix
77 kiss yer arse goodbye as your wings have folded
..I'd suspect, given the QRA response, 7500 was more like it..
Didnt Concorde used to generate a sonic boom on a daily basis west of Cornwall/Devon when in service whilst accelerating through the speed of sound over the Bristol Channel approaches?
I didnt remember hysterical headlines in the Western Daily Press as a result.
Id suggest this is all being over egged to give the impression to the world that we are on top of things pre Olympics.
If ever you are bored and want an impromptu air display or say a fly past for a wedding , spend a grand on a transponder and set it to 7500 and see what happens.Cheaper than booking the Red Arrows
Hysterical nonsense.
75 taken alive,
76 in a fix
77 kiss yer arse goodbye as your wings have folded
..I'd suspect, given the QRA response, 7500 was more like it..
Didnt Concorde used to generate a sonic boom on a daily basis west of Cornwall/Devon when in service whilst accelerating through the speed of sound over the Bristol Channel approaches?
I didnt remember hysterical headlines in the Western Daily Press as a result.
Id suggest this is all being over egged to give the impression to the world that we are on top of things pre Olympics.
If ever you are bored and want an impromptu air display or say a fly past for a wedding , spend a grand on a transponder and set it to 7500 and see what happens.Cheaper than booking the Red Arrows
Hysterical nonsense.
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I mentioned it once ........
but then got flamed rigid on here by the usual suspects.
but then got flamed rigid on here by the usual suspects.
Now, Beadwindow that Beadwindow!
Or, perhaps more appropriate to some oversensitive types "Ooh..Shut that door!"
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For all the "holier than thou's"...relax. If you really thought it was a secret (which it wasn't), it's not any more. BBC quoting MOD spokesman and helicopter instructor:
Personally, I think that's exactly what happened.
Mr Tinworth said there were four Typhoons on alert, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
"The only time anyone hears about it is when it's over land and when there's noise made - which happened yesterday.
"Pilots need authorisation to go supersonic because it makes noise and upsets people," he said.
This sequence of events was backed up by a helicopter instructor, who did not wish to be named.
He said: "The transponder is a box on the dashboard and it just identifies which green blip you are on the screen for air traffic control.
"The number that you put in the transponder if you're just flying around is 7000.
"But if you've been hijacked, you put in 7500.
"So it's possible he might have entered the hijack code instead - and in the current climate, that well might trigger Typhoons.
"The only time anyone hears about it is when it's over land and when there's noise made - which happened yesterday.
"Pilots need authorisation to go supersonic because it makes noise and upsets people," he said.
This sequence of events was backed up by a helicopter instructor, who did not wish to be named.
He said: "The transponder is a box on the dashboard and it just identifies which green blip you are on the screen for air traffic control.
"The number that you put in the transponder if you're just flying around is 7000.
"But if you've been hijacked, you put in 7500.
"So it's possible he might have entered the hijack code instead - and in the current climate, that well might trigger Typhoons.
I dimly recall a sortie in the mighty Bulldog where one digit of my transponder code received by ATC didn't match that displayed in the cockpit. It turned out that the number dial had slipped on its spindle and was one number adrift.
Confused the hell out of me as an EFT stude but then again it doesn't take much!
Confused the hell out of me as an EFT stude but then again it doesn't take much!
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So where exactly do you hide in the back of a civvy helicopter should one be planning to hijack it? I didn't see much room in the R22 I was in.
Two's in,
Plenty of room in the back of the helo involved. Gazelle G-IBNH according to Fighter Control website.
Foto Private Westland Gazelle HT.2 G-IBNH
Image of the Gazelle and Typhoon at following link.
Sonic boom rocks large part of Britain as two Typhoon jets are despatched to helicopter emitting hijacking signal | Mail Online
Plenty of room in the back of the helo involved. Gazelle G-IBNH according to Fighter Control website.
Foto Private Westland Gazelle HT.2 G-IBNH
Image of the Gazelle and Typhoon at following link.
Sonic boom rocks large part of Britain as two Typhoon jets are despatched to helicopter emitting hijacking signal | Mail Online
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So the codes are no secret and can be published / bandied around with abandon? So, logic says that potential terrorists/ hijackers will know all about it. They will now be looking out for this in particular and certainly wouldn't allow a hijacked pilot to set any such code on the aircraft transponder.
So by definition, any "rogue" codes appearing on radars will be mere mistakes, spuriously set codes by inattentive pilots, won't they?
There's absolutely no need to send live armed Typhoons supersonic over land to intercept them. MOD can relax and just get D&D to ask a passing helicopter to check out the "rogue" aircraft.
Think of the green benefits, we're into saving the planet bigstyle! Sorted. Thank goodness for the all-seeing knowledge base on the BBC and PPRuNe.
So by definition, any "rogue" codes appearing on radars will be mere mistakes, spuriously set codes by inattentive pilots, won't they?
There's absolutely no need to send live armed Typhoons supersonic over land to intercept them. MOD can relax and just get D&D to ask a passing helicopter to check out the "rogue" aircraft.
Think of the green benefits, we're into saving the planet bigstyle! Sorted. Thank goodness for the all-seeing knowledge base on the BBC and PPRuNe.
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The board is simple and effective.
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I believe the French also use a 'Follow Me' board for their armed helo interceptions?
Did you want a moving LED display?
The board is simple and effective.
Exercise Taurus Mountain 2 « Fast Air Photography
I believe the French also use a 'Follow Me' board for their armed helo interceptions?