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Hunting Somali Pirates From The Air

Old 21st Feb 2012, 21:25
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Who would have thought you could use an aeroplane for such a task?

Maybe we could deploy OUR maritime patrol fleet to help out? Oh! Hang on...

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Old 21st Feb 2012, 21:40
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No, you're right. We could send some of our MR4s. Don't believe everything you read.
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 22:30
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I see this as being the correct way to "hunt" Pirates from the air by fixed wing aircraft.


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Old 21st Feb 2012, 22:33
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Ooooh, Errr...

That be spooky, that be...
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Old 21st Feb 2012, 23:22
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So, the PM is getting together with France to discuss the Somali pirate problem. Well, at least we still have the Commonwealth to provide MPA to support that task. A good job HM visited the antipodes recently!

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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 08:55
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But would you need an aircraft that carries 300 odd sonobuoys, can monitor 60+ at any one time, has a swept up ESM system, can handle 400+ contacts in its tactical system, etc to do this particular job......

Or would something like a maritime CN-235 suffice?

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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 09:38
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The CN-235 is fine for ISR down the Somali Coast (assuming the owning Nation is happy for it to fly there), and also patrolling the Internationally Recognised Transit Corridor. However, seraching for motherships, dhows and the go-fasts that operate from them throughout the vastness of the Indian Ocean, you need a platform that can react quickly to get to a hotspot of pirate activity, can reliably detect small targets on radar, can take good photographic images that can be used as evidence in court later, and can stay there as long as possible to reduce the AOP for when the surface asset comes steaming over the horizon (which is often 24 hrs+).

The RN 2* that was running the EU Op (Atalanta) when I was there, was very vocal whenever anyone from the UK Govt came to visit about the fact that he would have loved to have the Nimrod available to him!
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 10:11
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 10:20
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Slightly off-topic question, but just how much could the Navy's training King Airs do in the way of maritime surveillance? They've got radars - presumably they can be used for "real" to some extent?
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 10:50
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A pirate skiff with four Evinrudes could probably outrun a King Air.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 12:12
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can take good photographic images that can be used as evidence in court later
Why, is it going to land on and arrest the naughty rascals?

Quicker, easier and cheaper to sink them on the spot.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 12:16
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Court? Court? Why not Davy Jones's Locker and let Judge Neptune hold forth?

Apply Bible Teachings to them...."Live by the Sword....Die by the Sword!" I am sure the Quran has something similar somewhere in all its teachings of Peace and Love.
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Surely a herc dropping UK estate agent leaflets would suffice? Might as well expedite the process of homing them here- It's going to happen anyway...
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 12:32
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...Quicker, easier and cheaper to sink them on the spot.
Yes, that always works.
...But Noel Choong, head of the International Maritime Bureau (IMB) piracy reporting centre, said the vessel it attacked was a Thai-operated fishing boat which had been seized by Somali pirates off Yemen on November 18.

"We can confirm that the incident has taken place. One Thai crew member died during the attack by the Indian navy, on the same day the vessel was hijacked by Somali pirates," he told AFP.

Choong said that one Cambodian crewman was rescued by passing fishermen four days later, but 14 other crew on the Kiribati-registered vessel are still missing.

The downed boat was owned by the Thai-based Sirichai Fisheries and was being held by heavily armed pirates at the time the Indian frigate, the INS Tabar, opened fire. Sirichai Fisheries confirmed the deep sea trawler Ekawatnava 5 had been destroyed and said the crew were tied up when it opened fire...
Many more captives have been killed by their supposed 'protectors' than by the Somali pirates themselves. Moreover, trigger-happy forces have killed more captives than pirates. And please, no one quote that bogusly misleading video about the Russians knowing how to treat pirates appropriately. All their captives have either been released or handed over to the few countries willing to prosecute them.

Despite what any gung-ho keyboard warriors feel, this is not a shooting war. It is a constabulary operation mandated by international law and governed by national ROE, much akin to the police enforcing the law on the UK mainland. Similar rules apply to the gathering of evidence and the use of firearms.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 13:40
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Quicker, easier and cheaper to sink them on the spot.
The picky often call that murder. Can't imagine why.

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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 13:57
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Despite what any gung-ho keyboard warriors feel, this is not a shooting war. It is a constabulary operation mandated by international law and governed by national ROE, much akin to the police enforcing the law on the UK mainland. Similar rules apply to the gathering of evidence and the use of firearms.
Well said. Piracy is a crime and they should be treated like criminals.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 16:20
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The picky often call that murder. Can't imagine why.
In many countries piracy is punishable by death. Thus this is known as justice...

Oh, and before we start bashing on about "moral high ground" and all that tosh I'll remind you, where terrorists, murderers, kiddie fiddlers, pirates and politicians are concerned, I have no morals.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 16:37
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This will not work for stopping the pirates. The pirates with the money and power, who have control of the operations, live in NBO, JNB, Canada, and London. Some of them are also white.

Using an aircraft like this will not be practical in a city like London, or NBO.

To stop the pirating, then need to imprison all of the pirates who control the operation, and shut off the money flow into Somalia.

A good start would be to internationally recognize Somaliland, and use it as a base to pacify Somalia, while they imprison all of the pirate heads that are making most of the money.

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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 17:04
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This should work too.
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Old 22nd Feb 2012, 18:05
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WW, that's a photo of Project Baker, the second Operation Crossroads Bikini Atoll test and which involved an underwater detonation.

Surprisingly the Prinz Eugen, which being used as a weapons effect test item, survived the explosion despite being only 2000 yards from the wepaon. This was the second test wich the Prinz Eugen had survived, the first being Project Able, a low-level atmospheric test at Bikini Atoll, the ship being only 1200 yards from ground zero..... She later sank under tow on the way to Kwajalein a year later.

So would blowing pirate boats away with bombs even work?

And for all those who were once 'involved in certain activities' and might have wondered what SUPA stood for, it was 'SUpport for Project Able'!
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