Hunting Somali Pirates From The Air
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Who would have thought you could use an aeroplane for such a task?
Maybe we could deploy OUR maritime patrol fleet to help out? Oh! Hang on...
Maybe we could deploy OUR maritime patrol fleet to help out? Oh! Hang on...
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I see this as being the correct way to "hunt" Pirates from the air by fixed wing aircraft.
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So, the PM is getting together with France to discuss the Somali pirate problem. Well, at least we still have the Commonwealth to provide MPA to support that task. A good job HM visited the antipodes recently!
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But would you need an aircraft that carries 300 odd sonobuoys, can monitor 60+ at any one time, has a swept up ESM system, can handle 400+ contacts in its tactical system, etc to do this particular job......
Or would something like a maritime CN-235 suffice?
The aircraft is powered by two GE CT&-9C3 turboprop engines, each developing 1,305kW. - Image - Airforce Technology
Or would something like a maritime CN-235 suffice?
The aircraft is powered by two GE CT&-9C3 turboprop engines, each developing 1,305kW. - Image - Airforce Technology
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The CN-235 is fine for ISR down the Somali Coast (assuming the owning Nation is happy for it to fly there), and also patrolling the Internationally Recognised Transit Corridor. However, seraching for motherships, dhows and the go-fasts that operate from them throughout the vastness of the Indian Ocean, you need a platform that can react quickly to get to a hotspot of pirate activity, can reliably detect small targets on radar, can take good photographic images that can be used as evidence in court later, and can stay there as long as possible to reduce the AOP for when the surface asset comes steaming over the horizon (which is often 24 hrs+).
The RN 2* that was running the EU Op (Atalanta) when I was there, was very vocal whenever anyone from the UK Govt came to visit about the fact that he would have loved to have the Nimrod available to him!
The RN 2* that was running the EU Op (Atalanta) when I was there, was very vocal whenever anyone from the UK Govt came to visit about the fact that he would have loved to have the Nimrod available to him!
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Auroras
Hopefully the Canuks will make available their Update 3 Auroras. I was shown around one at ZX last June, a very impressive machine. In fact, almost as good as an MRA4...........................oh b*gger, I've forgotten, where did we store them? 
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Slightly off-topic question, but just how much could the Navy's training King Airs do in the way of maritime surveillance? They've got radars - presumably they can be used for "real" to some extent?
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can take good photographic images that can be used as evidence in court later
Quicker, easier and cheaper to sink them on the spot.
Court? Court? Why not Davy Jones's Locker and let Judge Neptune hold forth?
Apply Bible Teachings to them...."Live by the Sword....Die by the Sword!" I am sure the Quran has something similar somewhere in all its teachings of Peace and Love.
Apply Bible Teachings to them...."Live by the Sword....Die by the Sword!" I am sure the Quran has something similar somewhere in all its teachings of Peace and Love.
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...Quicker, easier and cheaper to sink them on the spot.
...But Noel Choong, head of the International Maritime Bureau (IMB) piracy reporting centre, said the vessel it attacked was a Thai-operated fishing boat which had been seized by Somali pirates off Yemen on November 18.
"We can confirm that the incident has taken place. One Thai crew member died during the attack by the Indian navy, on the same day the vessel was hijacked by Somali pirates," he told AFP.
Choong said that one Cambodian crewman was rescued by passing fishermen four days later, but 14 other crew on the Kiribati-registered vessel are still missing.
The downed boat was owned by the Thai-based Sirichai Fisheries and was being held by heavily armed pirates at the time the Indian frigate, the INS Tabar, opened fire. Sirichai Fisheries confirmed the deep sea trawler Ekawatnava 5 had been destroyed and said the crew were tied up when it opened fire...
"We can confirm that the incident has taken place. One Thai crew member died during the attack by the Indian navy, on the same day the vessel was hijacked by Somali pirates," he told AFP.
Choong said that one Cambodian crewman was rescued by passing fishermen four days later, but 14 other crew on the Kiribati-registered vessel are still missing.
The downed boat was owned by the Thai-based Sirichai Fisheries and was being held by heavily armed pirates at the time the Indian frigate, the INS Tabar, opened fire. Sirichai Fisheries confirmed the deep sea trawler Ekawatnava 5 had been destroyed and said the crew were tied up when it opened fire...
Despite what any gung-ho keyboard warriors feel, this is not a shooting war. It is a constabulary operation mandated by international law and governed by national ROE, much akin to the police enforcing the law on the UK mainland. Similar rules apply to the gathering of evidence and the use of firearms.
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Despite what any gung-ho keyboard warriors feel, this is not a shooting war. It is a constabulary operation mandated by international law and governed by national ROE, much akin to the police enforcing the law on the UK mainland. Similar rules apply to the gathering of evidence and the use of firearms.
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The picky often call that murder. Can't imagine why.
Oh, and before we start bashing on about "moral high ground" and all that tosh I'll remind you, where terrorists, murderers, kiddie fiddlers, pirates and politicians are concerned, I have no morals.
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This will not work for stopping the pirates. The pirates with the money and power, who have control of the operations, live in NBO, JNB, Canada, and London. Some of them are also white.
Using an aircraft like this will not be practical in a city like London, or NBO.
To stop the pirating, then need to imprison all of the pirates who control the operation, and shut off the money flow into Somalia.
A good start would be to internationally recognize Somaliland, and use it as a base to pacify Somalia, while they imprison all of the pirate heads that are making most of the money.
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Using an aircraft like this will not be practical in a city like London, or NBO.
To stop the pirating, then need to imprison all of the pirates who control the operation, and shut off the money flow into Somalia.
A good start would be to internationally recognize Somaliland, and use it as a base to pacify Somalia, while they imprison all of the pirate heads that are making most of the money.
cliff
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