Queen's Diamond Jubilee Celebrations
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Busy on Ops?
Anyway, BEagle, it exceeded your expectations in #4, so you should be happy!
Who in their right mind chose Eddie Butler, who is a cr@p rugby commentator anyway, to be one of the presenters of this magnificent parade and flypast by our Armed Services? The BBC should be ashamed, the sound quality was shocking (particularly for the marching bands), the commentators were vague, ignorant and badly prepared, the introduction of school children and their paintings had b*gger all to do with the troops (which is what it was all about) and, as for Butler, he couldn't recognise a regiment cap badge if it was staring him in the face! He was clearly reading from a sheet of facts and participants but I don't think he once managed to coordinate it with what was actually on the screen. 'The Army Air Corps' says he with not a blue beret visible on TV at that point!
A great day for our Armed Forces and Her Majesty!
A Shocker for the BBC who should hang their corporate head in shame!
Foldie
PS. If this has all been said before on the previous pages then I merely add weight!
However, I remain of the opinion that the meagre content of the flypast was indeed pathetic. Indicative of the run down state of the operational strength of the UK Armed Forces:
No C17s
No Sentinels
No E-3Ds
No TriStar
2 Tornados
2 C130
1 VC10
No C17s
No Sentinels
No E-3Ds
No TriStar
2 Tornados
2 C130
1 VC10
Anyway, BEagle, it exceeded your expectations in #4, so you should be happy!
Perhaps the Diamond Jubilee flypast might run to the BBMF, Reds and 4 TypHoons? But that's probably about all...
A great day for our Armed Forces and Her Majesty!
A Shocker for the BBC who should hang their corporate head in shame!
Foldie
PS. If this has all been said before on the previous pages then I merely add weight!
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[QUOTE]Question for those in the know.
Why is Princess Anne not saluting in the photo half way down this page
when everyone else is.
Diamond Jubilee: Queen watches Royal Navy, the Army and RAF march through Windsor | Mail Online[/nQUOTE]
Princess Anne wasn't the only one, several of the RAF didn't either, suppose they didn't know when too.
Why is Princess Anne not saluting in the photo half way down this page
when everyone else is.
Diamond Jubilee: Queen watches Royal Navy, the Army and RAF march through Windsor | Mail Online[/nQUOTE]
Princess Anne wasn't the only one, several of the RAF didn't either, suppose they didn't know when too.
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Unless HRH The Princess Royal is Grumpy from this thread
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...ce-please.html
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...ce-please.html
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I've contacted the BBC about the appalling commentary on the fly past and the march past
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And now The Sunday Telegraph is at it! Apparently the RAF sneaked in early on with a flypast by (the diamond nine) Tornados! And there were even Harriers in the final RAF line-up!
Why don't these bloody people check their facts rather than just trot out what they think!
Oh, and evidently, it's Air Vice Marshall these days too!
Steam now coming out of ears!
Foldie
Why don't these bloody people check their facts rather than just trot out what they think!
Oh, and evidently, it's Air Vice Marshall these days too!
Steam now coming out of ears!
Foldie
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You should expect that from the Telegraph, they are very good at getting the Tonka and Tiffy mixed up. Last time they did it (about 3 weeks ago when the Typhoons flew into Northolt) some of the comments sent in by the public were priceless.
You should expect that from the Telegraph, they are very good at getting the Tonka and Tiffy mixed up. Last time they did it (about 3 weeks ago when the Typhoons flew into Northolt) some of the comments sent in by the public were priceless.
Eddy Butler to Dan Snow - if it goes over 500 mph, I can take it, to which Snow comments, observing the incoming helicopter formation - "Well these struggle at that speed" !!!
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There is no doubt that the effort put in by all concerned was well worth it. A clear reminder to the Nation of the significance of our armed forces and thier relationship with their Sovereign and CinC. She was obviously delighted with it all, especially the 60 and EIIR formations. 
I did wonder why it was timed for yesterday.... In days past such a signifcant parade I suspect would have been integrated into the main event in early June...showing just how integral the military and HM were to the fabric of the Nation etc. I suspect this is not part of our modern ethos in our consumer and celebrity lead individualistic society
I am with Beagle though, that effort and success shouldn't cloud our judgement to how bad things have become... and may still yet get worse (How many F35s & Tiffs will we have by 2020?). We have thrown too much away in recent years on the back of an unwinnable mega counter-insurgency..... and while well trained soldiers can be recruited and trained over several years, restoring a high tech air power capability takes decades. That suggests a strategic blunder in my opinion, which yesterday's flypast merely emphasised. We have thrown the baby out with the bath water of essential expenditure cuts. I couldn't help but wonder what effort went into getting that Tiff D9 together in the circumstances - well done. I am sure I wasn't the only one to hear the Windsor clock bells chime as the flypast went by...showing who was on time...Baxter would have picked that up!
I am at one with those bashing the Beeb... its over-emphasis on "productionising" the format with interviews and side events was at best semi-relevant and often totally distracting from the main events. The commentary was revealing of a presenter focused culture (Have you seen the latest "Live" nonesense with Hammond from Africa?) yet providing presenters who are names not experts. Anyone watching the Olympic flame coverage at Culdrose and the next morning would have found similar. Personailities now seem to matter at the Beeb - not research and factual presentation. Our national broadcaster did a pathetic job yestreday - the sound management was particularly abysmal. As Chug says... give it in future to someone who might care from a commercial product perspective at the very least.
I did wonder why it was timed for yesterday.... In days past such a signifcant parade I suspect would have been integrated into the main event in early June...showing just how integral the military and HM were to the fabric of the Nation etc. I suspect this is not part of our modern ethos in our consumer and celebrity lead individualistic societyI am with Beagle though, that effort and success shouldn't cloud our judgement to how bad things have become... and may still yet get worse (How many F35s & Tiffs will we have by 2020?). We have thrown too much away in recent years on the back of an unwinnable mega counter-insurgency..... and while well trained soldiers can be recruited and trained over several years, restoring a high tech air power capability takes decades. That suggests a strategic blunder in my opinion, which yesterday's flypast merely emphasised. We have thrown the baby out with the bath water of essential expenditure cuts. I couldn't help but wonder what effort went into getting that Tiff D9 together in the circumstances - well done. I am sure I wasn't the only one to hear the Windsor clock bells chime as the flypast went by...showing who was on time...Baxter would have picked that up!
I am at one with those bashing the Beeb... its over-emphasis on "productionising" the format with interviews and side events was at best semi-relevant and often totally distracting from the main events. The commentary was revealing of a presenter focused culture (Have you seen the latest "Live" nonesense with Hammond from Africa?) yet providing presenters who are names not experts. Anyone watching the Olympic flame coverage at Culdrose and the next morning would have found similar. Personailities now seem to matter at the Beeb - not research and factual presentation. Our national broadcaster did a pathetic job yestreday - the sound management was particularly abysmal. As Chug says... give it in future to someone who might care from a commercial product perspective at the very least.
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This to the BBC Complaints today:
They promise a reply - we'll see!
Foldie
The level of commentary and presentation for this programme was very poor. The sound quality was poor and amateurish, particularly relating to the marching bands, and the level of knowledge and preparedness of the commentators was shockingly below the standard expected from such a prestigious organisation as the BBC. Eddie Butler seemed to be operating off a sheet of notes that he never actually related to what was appearing on the screen (eg. He mentioned the Army Air Corps but there were no AAC personnel, recognisable by their sky blue berets, visible on screen at the time). Dan Snow (or Eddie Butler) criticised the RAF flypast for 'keeping everybody waiting' when in actual fact they were bang on time by the clock tower chimes as they flew overhead - the real reason was that the Royal Party had arrived too early and the parade commander had been forced into starting the ceremony before the appointed hour. Additionally, what value was there for this 'Armed Forces Event' in interviewing children about their paintings outside Windsor Castle - I would suggest none!
The Armed Forces personnel on the ground and those in the air had rehearsed all week to ensure that this event went without a hitch. It was self-evident that the BBC producers and, sadly for those roped in to face the cameras or the microphones with a half-baked script, had not prepared themselves in like style!
The event was a marvel of military precision - the BBC let the military and her Majesty down badly!
The Armed Forces personnel on the ground and those in the air had rehearsed all week to ensure that this event went without a hitch. It was self-evident that the BBC producers and, sadly for those roped in to face the cameras or the microphones with a half-baked script, had not prepared themselves in like style!
The event was a marvel of military precision - the BBC let the military and her Majesty down badly!
Foldie
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I seem to remember someone suggested that the Beeb should use amateur aircraft photographers to film this sort of event as the quality of their work is much superior to the professionals
I have a feeling that the BBC use such events as a training event for directors and photographers. Certainly the work looks like it is a 6th Form College project.
Perhaps they should go back to the archives and learn to do it properly
I have a feeling that the BBC use such events as a training event for directors and photographers. Certainly the work looks like it is a 6th Form College project.
Perhaps they should go back to the archives and learn to do it properly
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"We are sorry to learn that you did not enjoy our OB coverage from Windsor of the Armed Forces Tribute to HM the Queen.
There are many technical challenges in broadcasting such a large ceremony live from a number of locations as in this instance, and some perhaps were apparent, but there have been few other complaints from that perspective and the BBC considers it on the whole to have been successful.
As to production values, the BBC is a national broadcaster that is financed directly by all its viewers. It feels strongly in particular that children and young people should not feel excluded from such a national event and that is why they were specifically included. We will continue to endeavour that they remain so.
Thank you for your interest and in communicating your concerns with us"
OK, it's not from the Beeb but what I've cobbled up in anticipation. I don't expect their reply will be that much different. Just sufficient to say "knob off fellah, we don't give a stuff what you think", without addressing any specific criticisms. The Beeb will never change itself, it is only their paymasters that will do that. Who are they? Good question! Very good question!
There are many technical challenges in broadcasting such a large ceremony live from a number of locations as in this instance, and some perhaps were apparent, but there have been few other complaints from that perspective and the BBC considers it on the whole to have been successful.
As to production values, the BBC is a national broadcaster that is financed directly by all its viewers. It feels strongly in particular that children and young people should not feel excluded from such a national event and that is why they were specifically included. We will continue to endeavour that they remain so.
Thank you for your interest and in communicating your concerns with us"
OK, it's not from the Beeb but what I've cobbled up in anticipation. I don't expect their reply will be that much different. Just sufficient to say "knob off fellah, we don't give a stuff what you think", without addressing any specific criticisms. The Beeb will never change itself, it is only their paymasters that will do that. Who are they? Good question! Very good question!
Boris Johnson is right - the BBC is deeply and institutionally "left of centre" biased, and this reflects in their coverage of military matters, amongst other things (Question Time, R4, much current affairs coverage, most topical "comedy" etc etc).
The only surprise is that anyone is surprised it is thus so.
The only surprise is that anyone is surprised it is thus so.
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1977 Trooping the Colour Flypast at 1:50:00 onwards, however note that the commentator places Coningsby to the north west of Lincoln, so they were not that good back then except for the late Raymond Baxter. As for the producers, none of them in my living memory have been any good as these displays, be it ground displays (QCS / Kings Troop RHA /Etc) or flypasts. They always spend most of their time focused on close ups when the display is designed to be seen a distance.
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1977 Trooping the Colour Flypast at 1:50:00 onwards, however note that the commentator places Coningsby to the north west of Lincoln, so they were not that good back then except for the late Raymond Baxter. As for the producers, none of them in my living memory have been any good as these displays, be it ground displays (QCS / Kings Troop RHA /Etc) or flypasts. They always spend most of their time focused on close ups when the display is designed to be seen a distance.
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BEagle,
I still don't understand. What made it an insult? Who did it insult - you? HM? Yep the BBC coverage may have been below average, but you just can't shut down Londons main airport with waves of aircraft. Likewise, you could put up formations of everything we have serviceable in the inventory of a 3 services, but the amount of rehearsal required would jeapordise necessary training for ops. The marching and the flypast achieved appropriate balance. Yes, it is a reflection of how much we have been cut.
Was it an insult......?
No, I'm afraid you are just plain wrong fella.
I still don't understand. What made it an insult? Who did it insult - you? HM? Yep the BBC coverage may have been below average, but you just can't shut down Londons main airport with waves of aircraft. Likewise, you could put up formations of everything we have serviceable in the inventory of a 3 services, but the amount of rehearsal required would jeapordise necessary training for ops. The marching and the flypast achieved appropriate balance. Yes, it is a reflection of how much we have been cut.
Was it an insult......?
No, I'm afraid you are just plain wrong fella.
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I just look at it and then think of the Parades the likes of starving cash strapped North Korea put on.
MAINJAFAD:
What a contrast, what a difference 35 years makes! Crisp informed commentary from which I for one learned much that I did not know before. Never intrusive, never gratuitous, but pertinent and knowledgeable. Who might you ask gave this excellent presentation? Tom Fleming!
I would follow up I42's commendation of how to organise a military spectacular with your link for the BBC, MJ, of how to broadcast it!
The other great attribute of this 1977 coverage is a salutary reminder of how blessed this nation has been to have HMQ as our Sovereign for the last 60 years. Here she was already 25 years into her reign. May she long to reign over us yet!
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I would follow up I42's commendation of how to organise a military spectacular with your link for the BBC, MJ, of how to broadcast it!
The other great attribute of this 1977 coverage is a salutary reminder of how blessed this nation has been to have HMQ as our Sovereign for the last 60 years. Here she was already 25 years into her reign. May she long to reign over us yet!
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