Rafale wins Indian order
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India Mulls Big Jump in French Rafale Order
PARIS — India could buy up to 189 of the Rafale fighter jets currently being used by France to bomb Islamist militants in Mali, sources close to negotiations on the multi-billion dollar deal have told AFP.
The possibility of an additional 63 jets being added to an expected order for 126 was raised by India when Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid visited Paris last week, they said. “There is an option for procurement of an additional 63 aircrafts subsequently, for which a separate contract would need to be signed,” a source said. “Presently the contract under negotiation is for 126 aircraft, but we are talking about the follow-up.”
The Indian press has estimated the value of the deal for 126 Rafales at $12 billion (nine billion euros). A 50 percent increase in the number of planes ordered would take it to around $18 billion in a huge boost for the French defense industry.
India selected French manufacturer Dassault Aviation as its preferred candidate to equip its air force with new fighter jets in January 2012. Under the deal on the table, the first 18 Rafales would be built in France, but the next 108 would be assembled in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.
“The first aircraft will be delivered three years after signature of the contract,” the source added. An industry expert said the time lag reflected India’s request for two-seater jets rather than the one-seater model that Dassault currently produces...........
PARIS — India could buy up to 189 of the Rafale fighter jets currently being used by France to bomb Islamist militants in Mali, sources close to negotiations on the multi-billion dollar deal have told AFP.
The possibility of an additional 63 jets being added to an expected order for 126 was raised by India when Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid visited Paris last week, they said. “There is an option for procurement of an additional 63 aircrafts subsequently, for which a separate contract would need to be signed,” a source said. “Presently the contract under negotiation is for 126 aircraft, but we are talking about the follow-up.”
The Indian press has estimated the value of the deal for 126 Rafales at $12 billion (nine billion euros). A 50 percent increase in the number of planes ordered would take it to around $18 billion in a huge boost for the French defense industry.
India selected French manufacturer Dassault Aviation as its preferred candidate to equip its air force with new fighter jets in January 2012. Under the deal on the table, the first 18 Rafales would be built in France, but the next 108 would be assembled in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.
“The first aircraft will be delivered three years after signature of the contract,” the source added. An industry expert said the time lag reflected India’s request for two-seater jets rather than the one-seater model that Dassault currently produces...........
Certain RCAF views about the excellence of the Rafale during the Libyan campaign have certainly been expressed to their leadership.... Dassault have also responded to a recent Canadian RFI.
Unlike the TypHoon, Rafale refuels extremely quickly from the CC-150T used by the RCAF, a significant issue when 8-ship formations are considered.
Rafale might well be capable of STOBAR from the RN's carriers with less modification to the carriers than would be required for F-18E/F/G...
Unlike the TypHoon, Rafale refuels extremely quickly from the CC-150T used by the RCAF, a significant issue when 8-ship formations are considered.
Rafale might well be capable of STOBAR from the RN's carriers with less modification to the carriers than would be required for F-18E/F/G...
Rafale might well be capable of STOBAR from the RN's carriers with less modification to the carriers than would be required for F-18E/F/G...
Point taken. But anyway, Dassault reckon Rafale is STOBAR capable:
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Point taken. But anyway, Dassault reckon Rafale is STOBAR capable:
Hence my use of 'might'.....
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Correct me if I am wrong but the Indians were after Naval and Land based aircraft hence the selection of the French aircraft.
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It is seemingly irresistible to start swapping bits in perfectly serviceable aircraft. It always ends in tears, very expensive tears. May I politely suggest we just stick with the M88's?
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It is seemingly irresistible to start swapping bits in perfectly serviceable aircraft. It always ends in tears, very expensive tears. May I politely suggest we just stick with the M88's?
France is going for the 4 version because of its improved reliability-lower maintenance costs, I think they are passing for the extra oomph for now.
As for possible engines, the F404/414 from GE, the Eurojet200 and M88 are all basically direct competitors thrust, size and weight-wise, the first Rafale ,the A, had F404 engines, same as the predecessor of the current Eurofighter.
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The choice indeed was made in favor of keeping the 7.5t thrust with better reliabiliy/lower costs, instead of going to the 9t thrust version (which BTW also brings the need to redesign the intakes), deemed unnecessary.
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I was just trying to make a point that the EJ200 would be better because it is a better engine
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Is it an autocorrect thing or do people still not realise that the subject of this thread is called the RAFALE?!
It is named after a term roughly translated as a volley of fire.
It is not named after either an Italian painter or a ninja turtle.
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It is named after a term roughly translated as a volley of fire.
It is not named after either an Italian painter or a ninja turtle.
BV
Sorry, one of my pet hates.
