That Dam Film Again
I've just retired at the grand old age of 44 in the RAF - but I have 50hrs+ on Lancasters. Work that out...
So the railings were a wheeze, eh? Can I take the Govt to Court for the beautiful ones that once adorned my house prior to 1939? The ones that Wickes sell are
LJ
PS. now serving as a "backroom boy" with the occasional bit of service flying.
So the railings were a wheeze, eh? Can I take the Govt to Court for the beautiful ones that once adorned my house prior to 1939? The ones that Wickes sell are
LJ
PS. now serving as a "backroom boy" with the occasional bit of service flying.
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Sorry, but I must defend CM, who, my log book says, I flew with once in 1980 (31 July). I watched the film also and its top gen. How dare you desecrate Nsssss grave. Its all true - I swear (often).
Sorry, but I must defend CM, who, my log book says, I flew with once in 1980 (31 July). I watched the film also and its top gen. How dare you desecrate Nsssss grave. Its all true - I swear (often).
Looking at the link to Peter Jackson's mock up Lanc. Please tell me they're going to film in the UK with 2 ground runable Lancs and one of only two airworthy (there is also talk of the 2nd (total 3) getting an airworthy ticket - Just Jane). Also, the hill in the background of the mock up picture would mean that RAF Scampton has been subject to subsidence and slipped off the top of the Lincoln Edge!
I do hope that Peter Jackson is going to take the advice of those that have flown Lancasters. There are stacks of us (in comparative terms) around!
LJ
PS. What a fuss about nothing when it comes to the dog, see here what another famous director has done in recent times...
I do hope that Peter Jackson is going to take the advice of those that have flown Lancasters. There are stacks of us (in comparative terms) around!
LJ
PS. What a fuss about nothing when it comes to the dog, see here what another famous director has done in recent times...
By J. Douglas Allen-Taylor
I WENT TO SEE Quentin Tarantino's Jackie Brown a few weeks ago and heard actor Samuel L. Jackson use the word "nigger" to refer to half of Southern California, from black drug dealers to Pam Grier to Robert De Niro to all the folks on the streets of L.A.'s Koreatown.
"Look, I hate to be the kinda nigga does a nigga a favor, then--bam--hits a nigga up for a favor in return," Jackson tells another black character in the movie. "But I'm afraid I gotta be that kinda nigga."
Along with snappy pop-culture dialogue and fits of explosive violence, the use of the word "nigger" has become something of a trademark of Tarantino films. (Tarantino, by the way, is white.) When Tarantino himself finds a murdered black man in his garage in Pulp Fiction, he asks Samuel Jackson if there was a sign outside reading "Dead Nigger Storage." And when John Travolta questions the quality of a stash of drugs in Pulp Fiction, the white dealer asks him, "Am I a nigger? Is this Compton?"
I WENT TO SEE Quentin Tarantino's Jackie Brown a few weeks ago and heard actor Samuel L. Jackson use the word "nigger" to refer to half of Southern California, from black drug dealers to Pam Grier to Robert De Niro to all the folks on the streets of L.A.'s Koreatown.
"Look, I hate to be the kinda nigga does a nigga a favor, then--bam--hits a nigga up for a favor in return," Jackson tells another black character in the movie. "But I'm afraid I gotta be that kinda nigga."
Along with snappy pop-culture dialogue and fits of explosive violence, the use of the word "nigger" has become something of a trademark of Tarantino films. (Tarantino, by the way, is white.) When Tarantino himself finds a murdered black man in his garage in Pulp Fiction, he asks Samuel Jackson if there was a sign outside reading "Dead Nigger Storage." And when John Travolta questions the quality of a stash of drugs in Pulp Fiction, the white dealer asks him, "Am I a nigger? Is this Compton?"
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I think that you should check your "Facts" before posting. You should also take account of the different Training Regimes pertaining to the RAF 40+ years ago compared to that of the Air Force of your Country.
BEagle started on single piston aircraft because he went to University - I started on single jets because I did not go to University. By the time Beagle joined the RAF proper I was training to be a QFI having served on 2 Squadrons.
I think that you should check your "Facts" before posting. You should also take account of the different Training Regimes pertaining to the RAF 40+ years ago compared to that of the Air Force of your Country.
BEagle started on single piston aircraft because he went to University - I started on single jets because I did not go to University. By the time Beagle joined the RAF proper I was training to be a QFI having served on 2 Squadrons.
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This is the way the film-makers mindset works:
Calling a black man a nigger is OK as long as the man doing it is black. That way you can either explain it as "ironic" or clam that in a "blaxploitation" film it simply proves how badly black people have been treated by the whites over the years, to a point that they have been brainwahed to even insult their own.
Calling a dog nigger, equates a black man with a dog and so is totally unacceptable.
There was a an old kids film on which a dog was called Bender. Wonder if there would be a problem if they remade that now?
Calling a black man a nigger is OK as long as the man doing it is black. That way you can either explain it as "ironic" or clam that in a "blaxploitation" film it simply proves how badly black people have been treated by the whites over the years, to a point that they have been brainwahed to even insult their own.
Calling a dog nigger, equates a black man with a dog and so is totally unacceptable.
There was a an old kids film on which a dog was called Bender. Wonder if there would be a problem if they remade that now?
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Of no interest to me at all really, because I had just said the same thing in my post when I said:
"Morale aside, I couldn't help thinking that the gas for the cutting equipment lost in this operation was just so much more important than the IRON railings that were taken, only to end up as so much scrap metal"
I highlighted IRON just in case anyone had thought iron was a lightweight material suitable for aircraft production, or strong like steel used in armour
I was trying (and failing in your case) to point out that although the iron was taken just to boost morale, the man hours and gas used could have been much better utilised for war material production
Of no interest to me at all really, because I had just said the same thing in my post when I said:
"Morale aside, I couldn't help thinking that the gas for the cutting equipment lost in this operation was just so much more important than the IRON railings that were taken, only to end up as so much scrap metal"
I highlighted IRON just in case anyone had thought iron was a lightweight material suitable for aircraft production, or strong like steel used in armour
I was trying (and failing in your case) to point out that although the iron was taken just to boost morale, the man hours and gas used could have been much better utilised for war material production
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Hey, 500N
There's nothing wrong with starting on fans and moving up to blo...jets
And Courtney is right, I too saw Guy do all that, so it must be real...right down to the neatly rolled up shirtsleeves (although I think his batman could have done a better ironing job given the significance of the mission).
Beags old bean - fess up; is Caz right to say you went to uni? I thought you were a Cranners lad through and through.
I started my military flying career on single piston aircraft, not single jets; does that mean I too went to uni?
Mister B
There's nothing wrong with starting on fans and moving up to blo...jets
And Courtney is right, I too saw Guy do all that, so it must be real...right down to the neatly rolled up shirtsleeves (although I think his batman could have done a better ironing job given the significance of the mission).
Beags old bean - fess up; is Caz right to say you went to uni? I thought you were a Cranners lad through and through.
I started my military flying career on single piston aircraft, not single jets; does that mean I too went to uni?
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In reply to an earlier posting - there have been several articles on the filming of the Dams Raid. At the time it was said that the Bomb was in fact still on the Secret list so its size and shape had to be modified, this had the effect of making the films "Bomb" far more visable to the camera. There were only 3 airworthy Lancs available at the time hence why a lot of the formation shots are of 3. Most of the RAF base ground filming was carried at at RAF Hemswell just up the road from Scampton including the final scene where 'Gibson' walks away. Richard Todd who played Gibson learnt enough when doing the filming to taxi a Lanc around although I believe he came a cropper years later when trying to re-inact this fact with what is now Just Jane.
The original is a brilliant film and I fear the film worlds over use of things like CGI in a new version will never look as good as a real Lanc thundering over the countryside!
The original is a brilliant film and I fear the film worlds over use of things like CGI in a new version will never look as good as a real Lanc thundering over the countryside!
Guy Gibson's Dog
As I understand it, the name of Gibson's original Dog was `Nigger` & the name was used a number of times in the film, one of them being one of the code words for the successfull attack on one of the Dams.
If this upsets the odd person to day, that most definitely is not & would not be my intention, I'm mearly just stating the situation & facts as they were in the 1940s. I'm sorry folks, you can't change history.
If this upsets the odd person to day, that most definitely is not & would not be my intention, I'm mearly just stating the situation & facts as they were in the 1940s. I'm sorry folks, you can't change history.
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I was having a dig at Courtney, hence the 
, don't take it to heart,
it was payback directed at him
I'm sure he got it.
I like the posts from the earlier flyers who flew the WWII vintage aircraft
and then went on to more modern one's.
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, don't take it to heart, it was payback directed at him
I'm sure he got it.
I like the posts from the earlier flyers who flew the WWII vintage aircraft
and then went on to more modern one's.
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Yeah, I deserve it all, 500N. If all else fails, just have a go at Courtney. I know. But, as it happens, you did flush out somehting very interesting, to me anyway.
VX489, Medium Level PIs, 1:50. Hello, CP!
Sorry, we're not supposed to be boring old gits here. I'll get back to the thread in a moment...
I know. But, as it happens, you did flush out somehting very interesting, to me anyway.
Originally Posted by BSweeper
CM, who, my log book says, I flew with once in 1980 (31 July)
Sorry, we're not supposed to be boring old gits here. I'll get back to the thread in a moment...
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No problem 500 proper banter, that is. anyway, Courtney has a history of starting on fans...or is that stopping them...with his head.
By the way CM, on that Akrotiri det that I vaguely mis-remembered, did you have a large, loud Canadian pilot who wore a chicken on his head (I know this sounds surreal to anyone who was not at that happy hour, fuelled by brandy sour and Keo/Carlsberg)?
Mister B (more like mists of time...)
By the way CM, on that Akrotiri det that I vaguely mis-remembered, did you have a large, loud Canadian pilot who wore a chicken on his head (I know this sounds surreal to anyone who was not at that happy hour, fuelled by brandy sour and Keo/Carlsberg)?
Mister B (more like mists of time...)
Mr B.
500N's is indeed the real thing. I hope people don't somestimes misunderstand him. Nothing as priceless as proper banter!
Still have the fan scars - will find suitable picture soonest - not pretty.
I did indeed own a big Canadian. We called him Don. Bit of a c0ck up on the getting on with the boss on exchange front, so left a bit early. Now living in BC and in good shape. You have a scary memory!!!!
500N's is indeed the real thing. I hope people don't somestimes misunderstand him. Nothing as priceless as proper banter!
Still have the fan scars - will find suitable picture soonest - not pretty.
I did indeed own a big Canadian. We called him Don. Bit of a c0ck up on the getting on with the boss on exchange front, so left a bit early. Now living in BC and in good shape. You have a scary memory!!!!
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According to the book, which I have completely re-read in the last 5 minutes, many of the practice sorties in daylight, some flown over the LadyBower reservoir, used filters in the pilots goggles to mimic moonlight conditions. Perhaps that's where the story originates.
Far more importantly, hello CM! I flew in XV399 that day. Is it possible we flew together in different aircraft - a world first or seriously scary. Best R. CP.
Mister B. The only loud Canadian that I knew, and he was the loudest of the loud, was the Sloop Don B. Many good times with him (delivering a jet to TLP, too much fuel, full re-heat with AB out, 5 deg nose down and 0.9M S&L -strange feeling)
According to the book, which I have completely re-read in the last 5 minutes, many of the practice sorties in daylight, some flown over the LadyBower reservoir, used filters in the pilots goggles to mimic moonlight conditions. Perhaps that's where the story originates.
Far more importantly, hello CM! I flew in XV399 that day. Is it possible we flew together in different aircraft - a world first or seriously scary. Best R. CP.
Mister B. The only loud Canadian that I knew, and he was the loudest of the loud, was the Sloop Don B. Many good times with him (delivering a jet to TLP, too much fuel, full re-heat with AB out, 5 deg nose down and 0.9M S&L -strange feeling)
Yes BSweeper. We were well into our fifties when we first flew the F4 together in 1980. I was just trying to recall from memory - maybe I should look at my log books in future! I think I remember you with your sextant in my Lancaster. 
But it may be the pills.
Hope all is well with you. Long time...
Anyway, back to the thread. My Dad flew Lancs, but not on that mission. He did tell me about using dark gogs to simulate night. He said they nearly killed him because everything just went dark. At least on a good night he had moonlight, cultural lighting, even starlight. With the death goggles on everything was just black and and dangerous. I guess he did't like them.
It's not often we say, "I'd rather actually be night flying"
But it may be the pills.Hope all is well with you. Long time...
Anyway, back to the thread. My Dad flew Lancs, but not on that mission. He did tell me about using dark gogs to simulate night. He said they nearly killed him because everything just went dark. At least on a good night he had moonlight, cultural lighting, even starlight. With the death goggles on everything was just black and and dangerous. I guess he did't like them.
It's not often we say, "I'd rather actually be night flying"
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Filming the Dam Busters
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned this book:
BTW I found it cheap in a remaindered bookshop. Like finding a diamond among the dross.
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BTW I found it cheap in a remaindered bookshop. Like finding a diamond among the dross.
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Suggesting that changing the dog's name is redundant because black people often say it to each other is incredibly stupid. Similarly, choosing what has always been a controversial film like Pulp Fiction as a basis for comparison is equally ignorant.
Surely you have a grasp of context? I could (not that I do) go up to my best mate and call him any name under the sun straight to his face - without any consequence. Do you think I'd get the same reaction from him as I would a stranger in town on a Saturday night?
When my housemate (who's gay) came back with his boyfriend the other evening and asked him 'want a cup of tea faggot?' do you reckon that means I can address him in the same way?
Surely you have a grasp of context? I could (not that I do) go up to my best mate and call him any name under the sun straight to his face - without any consequence. Do you think I'd get the same reaction from him as I would a stranger in town on a Saturday night?
When my housemate (who's gay) came back with his boyfriend the other evening and asked him 'want a cup of tea faggot?' do you reckon that means I can address him in the same way?
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Proplover, the last seen with Gibson walking away was most def not filmed at Hemswell it was done at Scampton. Go on the Scampton museum tour and the first thing you will be shown after the main gate is exactly where that scene took place.
The take off shots were filmed at Hemswell, with the tails in the hedge at the start of the run apparently!!!
The take off shots were filmed at Hemswell, with the tails in the hedge at the start of the run apparently!!!
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It appears that the actor who played Sqn Ldr Maudslay's character subsequently spent many a year pouring pints at the Woolpack in Emmerdale. I knew I recognised the face:
Richard Thorp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Leon Jabachjabicz: You mention the hill in the background of the mock up picture.
I hope you don't think Jackson would make such a basic mistake as to try and pass that off as Scampton.
The photo was taken at the small rural airfield of Masterton, which happened to be a convenient place to assemble the first mockup.
I hope you don't think Jackson would make such a basic mistake as to try and pass that off as Scampton.
The photo was taken at the small rural airfield of Masterton, which happened to be a convenient place to assemble the first mockup.
