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Old 10th Jan 2012, 17:06
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Ministry of Defence | Defence News | Defence Policy and Business | RAF nominated for lesbian recruiter of the year award

Having read the attached, I'm not sure at all, that this is something for the R.A.F. to place alongside the Battle of Britain, Dambusters, sinking of the Turpitz, Blackbuck mission and all the various operations since?

Whatever the merits on the grounds of what's right and wrong, is this really a matter for boasting?

Some may disagree.

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Odd isn't it when you think that in some countries of the world we probably bomb and shoot at them... Though to be honest in those countries it will be frowned upon.
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How the service has changed since I first enrolled in 1957. At that time most people wouldn't even known of the word lesbian. Progress eh? No, I don't think so either.
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Brings a new meaning to the term I am just going to get some mufti on...
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Most probably the only way you can get in to the RAF now, positive discrimination and all that.....................
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I am with you FB, who cares about what people do in thier own homes, i don't think we should be boasting about it, i don't think we should be even focusing on it. One of the guys in the picture was on a Sqn i recently served on. He just wanted to be treated normally and not attract attention etc.

I reckon in 10 years time this will not even be an issue.
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Sorry, it's an age thing. Was she the lesbian who recruited most people or the person that recruited most lesbians? Reading this makes me feel all evangelical!
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Most probably the only way you can get in to the RAF now, positive discrimination and all that.....................
I don't mind blacking up but I'm not jumping in to bed with the homosexuals.
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W2; OK, but how about jumping into bed with lesbians?
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I recently discovered, after all these years, that I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body...
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If I was sitting in the back seat of something pointy and fast I wouldnt give a damn if the lady up front was a lesbian or not as long as she could fly the thing well and get us both back on the ground safely. Or for that matter if it was a bloke who batted for the other side.

What a lot of wasted talent in the past when we kept these people out of the service - it's a change for the better as far as I'm concerned.

That said I'm with occhips on this - no special treatment and no shouting about it.
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dctyke, my apologies! Whilst reading this thread I read your title without the c and t in it!!

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TTN,

I don't think we ever kept them out, but I do know that they had to keep their sexuality private as a number of them subsequently came out of the closet!

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Fear not... They were among us back in the late 70's and early 80's... A man I'd fight alongside any time, any day wasn't a big ladies man... Though I will admit to not finding out until many years later...
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That said I'm with occhips on this - no special treatment and no shouting about it.
If only that were possible
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FW, I said this before, but on our Int course it was thrashed out

If Bloggs, worried about his sexuality approached his flt cdr and confessed to the dirty deed then Admin action followed immediately (this after it be came legal but not in the Services).

If Bloggs OTOH made an open confession to the confessor it would be entered on his personal file and kept as a ultra secret and it would probably not affect his security clearance etc.

The Provost Officer could see nothing wrong with this no matter how hard we beat him.

Earlier than that, a VSO had clearly made his confession and was duly posted to the US. UK would not rescind his posting even though the cousins said they would refuse to accept him. To rescind his posting could have outted the person. Instead it was rumoured that he was deliberately outted deliberately outted in a CIA sting.
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 20:09
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The US Navy though appears to be bending over Backwards to be seen as being progressive

They even errrm filmed the occasion, wonder if it was the same person filming that suggested it

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

While both women are navy officers, they were not serving on the same ship. Snell was off duty, and in mufti, as she came to the dock to meet her partner who had just returned from an 80-day trip to Central American waters.
The pair were not chosen for the kiss - they won the chance in a raffle.


Lesbian kiss on quayside marks new era for US Navy | News | The Week UK
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 21:56
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Reckon the Air Force in the '50's and '60's had more than it's fair share of members who were "different". It was considered a quite acceptable practice to "dump" youngsters who were considered different in some way into the military, especially by parents who lacked the financial means to invove the psychiatric professions.

Post WWII and the early days of the Cold War, all three services were hungry for personnel, and would just about take anyone. Whether it was for cannon fodder of the army infantry through to Zob trainees at Cranditz. Everyone who was fit in body and limb was welcome, and bugger the mental aspects.

It was widely reported by siblings and rels that my entrapment was encouraged by the expression "This would make a man out of me", as obviously I wasn't much of at the time.
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Heading out on the pull with het. males and a lesbian pilot (civvy, post-RAF) was cracking fun. You can be as non-pc as you like about the "targets" as she is saying and thinking (almost) the same thing, and she proved to be excellent at assessing our chances of success!
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 22:42
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How long will it be before they make it compulsory?
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