How to fly a Herc!
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'Shewhomustbeobeyed' has just made me comfortable in my bathchair and brought me a cup of tea.
I don't know enough to get involved in this argument, but what this Herc' nav from the Dark Ages (67-73) would like clarified is; what were the good practices that the USAF were using in '67? Was all their EFATO and other emergency training done in the simulator?
If so, and considering the first 25 RAF Herc crews were trained in the US and there were several pilots around who had done exchange tours with the cousins and others on the Herc (one of the first Herc trappers,Mike Nash being one and the CO Changi 67-9 Grp Capt Merriman another, the latter having been a trapper with the USAF), why were these practices not taken up at the time by the RAF.
I wonder was it because all their Airships in those days were exWW2 pilots, and in some cases pre-war, and were either too proud or too arrogant to accept that other air forces were ahead of us?
Certainly if I could have had a £ for every time I read the EFATO check list I would have a tidy sum invested now! I don't recall ever experiencing one for real.
I don't know enough to get involved in this argument, but what this Herc' nav from the Dark Ages (67-73) would like clarified is; what were the good practices that the USAF were using in '67? Was all their EFATO and other emergency training done in the simulator?
If so, and considering the first 25 RAF Herc crews were trained in the US and there were several pilots around who had done exchange tours with the cousins and others on the Herc (one of the first Herc trappers,Mike Nash being one and the CO Changi 67-9 Grp Capt Merriman another, the latter having been a trapper with the USAF), why were these practices not taken up at the time by the RAF.
I wonder was it because all their Airships in those days were exWW2 pilots, and in some cases pre-war, and were either too proud or too arrogant to accept that other air forces were ahead of us?
Certainly if I could have had a £ for every time I read the EFATO check list I would have a tidy sum invested now! I don't recall ever experiencing one for real.
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Well my Blue Angels video posting seems to have caused a bit of a fuss. From my viewpoint I was impressed with the aircrew co-operation and the chat that surrounds it. I see that for a few people here they were not impressed with the US style. However, the rights and wrongs of one style or another is not important because the crew in question fully understand each other and on a personal note I could understand the Blue Angels check calls for each part of the display .
I see the B52 and C17 video’s were posted and were off topic other than to point out that a failure in crew co-operation and safety checks result in an accident.
I see the B52 and C17 video’s were posted and were off topic other than to point out that a failure in crew co-operation and safety checks result in an accident.
why were these practices not taken up at the time by the RAF.
Just like GPS..."that Yank DOD thingy!"
It is not just in the C-130 world the RAF refused to consider listening to other Air Forces.
The problem with "propaganda" is one must not believe one's own offerings!
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I think different doesn't always mean wrong, and having worked (and flown) with guys from various nations, I enjoy seeing what they find 'important' in the cockpit, as it is almost always something different to us.
I sense Beags doesn't like extraneous intercom chatter and likes sticking to the SOP. Sounds good to me.
The Yanks like to keep eachother informed, and try to enhance the available cueing from instruments with verbal patter - the display seems very 'gated' in terms of speeds and heights, and they have their (perfectly valid) reasons for doing that. Was it a little cheesy, ("SET IT!") yes, perhaps, but that active co-pilot, who knew his role and valued his own role in enhancing flight safety by looking outside to talk the frame round was passionate, proud and keen to carry out his duties to the best of his ability.
When teaching, I always thought the only thing I couldn't teach someone was how to adopt a good attitude. I could try to encourage, motivate and dare I say, inspire as best I can, but if I'm dealing with an idol little tool with a bad attitude, I'm on a losing wicket trying to teach them anything. How lucky I am that this happened exceptionally rarely.
Overall, 2 well polished displays flown by professionals, imho. But OMG, the roll axis in the Herc needs some encouragement, doesn't it?!
I sense Beags doesn't like extraneous intercom chatter and likes sticking to the SOP. Sounds good to me.
The Yanks like to keep eachother informed, and try to enhance the available cueing from instruments with verbal patter - the display seems very 'gated' in terms of speeds and heights, and they have their (perfectly valid) reasons for doing that. Was it a little cheesy, ("SET IT!") yes, perhaps, but that active co-pilot, who knew his role and valued his own role in enhancing flight safety by looking outside to talk the frame round was passionate, proud and keen to carry out his duties to the best of his ability.
When teaching, I always thought the only thing I couldn't teach someone was how to adopt a good attitude. I could try to encourage, motivate and dare I say, inspire as best I can, but if I'm dealing with an idol little tool with a bad attitude, I'm on a losing wicket trying to teach them anything. How lucky I am that this happened exceptionally rarely.
Overall, 2 well polished displays flown by professionals, imho. But OMG, the roll axis in the Herc needs some encouragement, doesn't it?!
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Nice bit of low flying by the pair of RAF Alberts that flew through Chivenor yesterday just after 1400 hrs plus their low pass over Ashford village ! GREAT STUFF !!!
Let's have a few more - Grandfer
Let's have a few more - Grandfer
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I had this emailed to me by a guy I used to work with at Marietta, and thought it might be of interest given the topic.
Kev.
Skier 52 is executing a navigator directed Airborne Radar Approach on the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet.
Major David Panzera, LC-130 ski-plane pilot with the 139 Expeditionary Airlift Squadron, provided this compelling footage of a routine ski approach and landing into WAIS (West Antarctic Ice Sheet) Divide Science Outpost. As you can see from the footage, even fair weather days present challenges for ski-plane operations.
FARK.com: Fark Video Player (6857861) Skier 52 is executing a navigator directed Airborne Radar Approach on the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet. Let's drop into the cabin and see what's happening
Kev.
Skier 52 is executing a navigator directed Airborne Radar Approach on the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet.
Major David Panzera, LC-130 ski-plane pilot with the 139 Expeditionary Airlift Squadron, provided this compelling footage of a routine ski approach and landing into WAIS (West Antarctic Ice Sheet) Divide Science Outpost. As you can see from the footage, even fair weather days present challenges for ski-plane operations.
FARK.com: Fark Video Player (6857861) Skier 52 is executing a navigator directed Airborne Radar Approach on the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet. Let's drop into the cabin and see what's happening
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During my time on the C130 with 36 Squadron RAAF we had a number of USAF exchange Pilots and Navigators and we sometimes practised Airborne Radar Approaches to the RAAF Richmond runway 10/28, in VMC. In my time there we had no precision approach with only a Tacan and NDB permanently available. Early in the piece we used to sometimes conduct a UDF approach from overhead. The USAF C141's used to, I am sure, use the ARA in fog down to minima. The roadway between Clarendon and Richmond paralleled the runway and the local "watering hole", Ma's Pub, just about had the roof taken off by a C141 when very late in the approach the crew realized that they had mistakenly lined up on the roadway and not the runway. Not long after that a series of radar reflectors were put in place. Never ever made an ARA in anger though. The clip reminded me of our first trips to McMurdo in '78, a year prior to the Air New Zealand DC10 loss at Mt Erebus. Thanks kokpit.
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Just watched the display video and thought it was excellent! I thought the patter was pretty good, the nuisance cautions were all acknowledged, it was always clear what was happening.
Im certainly not a fan of some of the stereotypical American hoo-yah attitudes, particularly when on a flight deck, however I didn't see any of that in this clip. In fact I think that most of what was said during the display would also be said during an operational tasking, an opinion formed from saying many of the same things while flying operations with the RAF.
I think that for anyone reading this thread you should be able to tell quite easily from the posts who actually knows what they are talking about (Stoppers, Highveldt etc) and those that don't have a clue (Beagle etc).
J
Im certainly not a fan of some of the stereotypical American hoo-yah attitudes, particularly when on a flight deck, however I didn't see any of that in this clip. In fact I think that most of what was said during the display would also be said during an operational tasking, an opinion formed from saying many of the same things while flying operations with the RAF.
I think that for anyone reading this thread you should be able to tell quite easily from the posts who actually knows what they are talking about (Stoppers, Highveldt etc) and those that don't have a clue (Beagle etc).
J
