The C27's are a coming
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The C27's are a coming
RAAF has announced that 10 C27 transports are to be purchased to replace the Carbou.
To be built by Boeing to USAF build standard.
Will be nice to have a light tactical transport again
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Col
To be built by Boeing to USAF build standard.
Will be nice to have a light tactical transport again
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Col
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Where is the link to the Gov't announcement ?
I just posted a link to a news article on the C17 thread (trying to keep all the Aussie related stuff together).
It didn't say definitely that they had purchased the C27's.
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Link to the other thread c-17-raaf
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...7-raaf-11.html
I just posted a link to a news article on the C17 thread (trying to keep all the Aussie related stuff together).
It didn't say definitely that they had purchased the C27's.
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Link to the other thread c-17-raaf
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...7-raaf-11.html
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Whilst not an Australian Government press release, it is however a US DOD press release of a possible sale to Australia of the C-27J and related support.
Estimated cost of the whole package $950 million, and I assume that's USD not AUSD.
http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36...alia_11-51.pdf
Estimated cost of the whole package $950 million, and I assume that's USD not AUSD.
http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36...alia_11-51.pdf
Herkman,
What's the story here? I thought C-27 was built by Alenia and Lockheed Martin. Isn't it an upgraded G-222? Sorry, probably a massively upgraded G-222.
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What's the story here? I thought C-27 was built by Alenia and Lockheed Martin. Isn't it an upgraded G-222? Sorry, probably a massively upgraded G-222.
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To be built by Boeing to USAF build standard.
I thought C-27 was built by Alenia and Lockheed Martin.
Lockheed was involved in the initial C-27J design process (hence the C-130J systems commonality) but dropped out in the early 2000s when the projected numbers failed to materialise. Boeing was going to be prime for the ~138 order USAF/Army JCA, but dropped out when JCA was wound back.
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Lockheed was involved in the initial C-27J design process (hence the C-130J systems commonality) but dropped out in the early 2000s when the projected numbers failed to materialise. Boeing was going to be prime for the ~138 order USAF/Army JCA, but dropped out when JCA was wound back.
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JCA was cut from 138 to 78, and then when JCA folded it went to 38 with ANG units only. It may end up being <15 now that USAF and Army have parted ways on how/who best to operate it.
USAF wants more C-130Js.
USAF wants more C-130Js.
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Naturally, the Air Dispatchers have been kept completely out of the loop 
This sounds like good news in terms of additional capability. But will these be 'Son of Caribou' or 'Herc Mini-Me'? Will ADs be allowed to set foot inside them or will the Loadie Mafia prevent filthy AJs from touching them?
LAPES? The brochure shows them doing it ...
Basing?
What's the ALG rumour mill saying?
This sounds like good news in terms of additional capability. But will these be 'Son of Caribou' or 'Herc Mini-Me'? Will ADs be allowed to set foot inside them or will the Loadie Mafia prevent filthy AJs from touching them?
LAPES? The brochure shows them doing it ...
Basing?
What's the ALG rumour mill saying?
WASHINGTON, Dec 19 (Reuters) - The Pentagon said on Monday it approved the sale to Australia of 10 C-27J transport aircraft built by L-3 Communications Holdings Inc and Finmeccanica SpA unit Alenia, as well as associated equipment, in a deal worth about $950 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which oversees major arms sales, said it notified Congress on Friday about the sale, which would also include 23 engines built by Britain's Rolls-Royce Group Plc and an array of sensors and radar systems. U.S. lawmakers have 30 days to block the sale, although such action is rare. The Pentagon agency said the proposed sale would allow the Australian Defense Force (ADF) to improve its capability to meet current and future air mobility needs and humanitarian operations and disaster relief efforts in Southeast Asia.
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Think H model replacement rather than Caribou and that might suggest where they will be based.
I would suspect 38SQN would keep the kingair rather than getting rid of the capability 4-5 years after getting it....
I would suspect 38SQN would keep the kingair rather than getting rid of the capability 4-5 years after getting it....
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The C-27 Spartan is more or less a mini-Herc not having comparable characteristics of the Caribou for remote regional wet tropics operations. Yet another move downgrading proven capabilities for operations in Australia's near neighbourhood. Only an upgraded 'Bou would adequately replace its predecessor.
B71, your key assumption is that the role hasn't changed. The whole AO of the ADF has shifted. Basing a need on a few trips to some remote corners of PNG to qualify the Caribou replacement is outdated. The Chinook can do that short rage small airfield stuff better than a 'bou.
The C-27J mission is very different. Transiting from TVL to DRW in a Caribou is an all day affair with no payload to speak of is where the Spartan beats the 'bou hands down. It is also equipped for ops in A/Stan or other likely hot spots.
You may recall the Caribou operations with the UN in the Kashmir last century. The aircraft could barely clear some of the mountains up there without any real payload.
Like the airlines moving on from the DC-3 it is time to move on from the wonderful Caribou...
The C-27J mission is very different. Transiting from TVL to DRW in a Caribou is an all day affair with no payload to speak of is where the Spartan beats the 'bou hands down. It is also equipped for ops in A/Stan or other likely hot spots.
You may recall the Caribou operations with the UN in the Kashmir last century. The aircraft could barely clear some of the mountains up there without any real payload.
Like the airlines moving on from the DC-3 it is time to move on from the wonderful Caribou...
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Word is 35SQN will be resurrected within 84WG for the C-27Js and will be based at Richmond.
If the Penn-turbo or similar mod is such a good idea, why hasn't anyone else done it? It's time to step away from the 'upgrade 40+ year old airframes' mentality.
The C-27J will be a mini-Herc with some STOL capability, but nothing except a V-22 can replace a Caribou.
If the Penn-turbo or similar mod is such a good idea, why hasn't anyone else done it? It's time to step away from the 'upgrade 40+ year old airframes' mentality.
The C-27J will be a mini-Herc with some STOL capability, but nothing except a V-22 can replace a Caribou.
The other version of that is that 38 Sqn will hand their late model KA350's to 32 Sqn who phase their older models out and 38 will get the C-27's. Hawker Pacific I think have tied up the C-27 maintenance and are planning to use their big hangar in TVL.
Oh, time will tell. Either way it's a good move for Ronnie-RAAF....
Oh, time will tell. Either way it's a good move for Ronnie-RAAF....
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C-27J replacing C130H ???
Gundog01. The only aircraft which can replace the C130H is the C130J. The Spartan certainly could not be considered a replacement for the C130H, two very different aircraft with very different capabilities.