BAe V's a Medal of Honor Marine
The guy probably put on a bit of weight while recovering from wounds received. So?
The only opinion worth a toss is that of the men he saved and their families. I know what they're thinking.
The only opinion worth a toss is that of the men he saved and their families. I know what they're thinking.
The role of the US State Department in determining what should be sold to whom should not be underestimated. This extends to British firms selling 'stuff' in the Middle East, with US Government obliged to ensure that Israel maintains a 'qualitative edge' amongst its neighbours. Thus State Department has levers it can pull to ensure that certain technologies are not sold to, say, Egypt or Saudi, for example.
Irrespective of the merits of the case outlined in the original post, anyone in the defence and security industrial sector has to be aware that there is very little ethical about manufacturing and selling arms - this has always been the case. Perhaps one of the more celebrated cases was the private action Krupps took against Vickers in the early 1920s, claiming licence fees for the manufacture of 18lb shell fuses fired by British and Imperial forces against the Central Powers. The case went to arbitration and Krupps (having just been depleted of most of its industrial capacity as a result of the Versailles Treaty) was awarded 1/- per fuse manufactured by Vickers. Zillions of these shells were fired. The payment was sufficient to put Krupps back on the map as a major engineering and arms manufacturer, just in time for the err, retooling of the Fascist forces in Germany.
Irrespective of the merits of the case outlined in the original post, anyone in the defence and security industrial sector has to be aware that there is very little ethical about manufacturing and selling arms - this has always been the case. Perhaps one of the more celebrated cases was the private action Krupps took against Vickers in the early 1920s, claiming licence fees for the manufacture of 18lb shell fuses fired by British and Imperial forces against the Central Powers. The case went to arbitration and Krupps (having just been depleted of most of its industrial capacity as a result of the Versailles Treaty) was awarded 1/- per fuse manufactured by Vickers. Zillions of these shells were fired. The payment was sufficient to put Krupps back on the map as a major engineering and arms manufacturer, just in time for the err, retooling of the Fascist forces in Germany.
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I have always and no doubt will always join in the inter service banter....
US Marines second to none.
Royal Marines = None...
BUT how dare ANYONE ridicule the recognised bravery of ANY individual of any service of any nation.
Who cares if they are pink, green, yellow, black, one legged, one armed, blind, fat, thin, male or female.
Bravery is bravery is bravery and RESPECT to that 'porky' and no votes to that insulting post.
BAE what on earth possessed you to do this... if this individual had issues whilst in your employ then did you have any responsibilities to help this man?
It appears okay to use him whilst you pay him but then to abuse him when he leaves is the act of a COWARD. Shame on you.
US Marines second to none.
Royal Marines = None...
BUT how dare ANYONE ridicule the recognised bravery of ANY individual of any service of any nation.
Who cares if they are pink, green, yellow, black, one legged, one armed, blind, fat, thin, male or female.
Bravery is bravery is bravery and RESPECT to that 'porky' and no votes to that insulting post.
BAE what on earth possessed you to do this... if this individual had issues whilst in your employ then did you have any responsibilities to help this man?
It appears okay to use him whilst you pay him but then to abuse him when he leaves is the act of a COWARD. Shame on you.
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"Yes Bob, I quiet agree with your sentiment - but a corporation is legally bound to make the most profit, within the law for its shareholders. It's not bound to have a conscience."
And regardless if it is on the list or not, if the State Dept or other US Gov't official has a "quiet word", then I would suggest that their are bigger fish to fry in the US than a few scopes to Pakistan.
Aust DoD just knocked back a shipment of something here for some obscure reason.
Glojo
Well said
"Yes Bob, I quiet agree with your sentiment - but a corporation is legally bound to make the most profit, within the law for its shareholders. It's not bound to have a conscience."
And regardless if it is on the list or not, if the State Dept or other US Gov't official has a "quiet word", then I would suggest that their are bigger fish to fry in the US than a few scopes to Pakistan.
Aust DoD just knocked back a shipment of something here for some obscure reason.
Glojo
Well said
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Problem ?
I forwarded the report to a friend of mine. He has recently retired from a company well known to members here so will not be named. I suggested that he could be hired on a PR contract which he humourously declind but included the following:
" To survive a pr crisis you need to be able to answer two simple questions: When did you find out you had a problem? What did you do about it? BAE cannot answer these questions adequately and therefore will have a very rough road ahead of themselves on this one."
Makes sense to me.
" To survive a pr crisis you need to be able to answer two simple questions: When did you find out you had a problem? What did you do about it? BAE cannot answer these questions adequately and therefore will have a very rough road ahead of themselves on this one."
Makes sense to me.
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Which has been vehemently denied by both the USMC and the President.
I wonder if McClatchy will ever go after the story of Marines falsely accused of atrocities who were convicted, but then cleared on appeal.
I wonder if McClatchy will ever go after the story of Marines falsely accused of atrocities who were convicted, but then cleared on appeal.
