Queens Diamond Jubilee Medal
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but thanks for saying that serving personnel deserve no recognition..
It may be a chocolate medal but it's also some recognition to those who have bravely put their pink bodies on the line in the last 5 years.
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It's not a decoration or a campaign medal for the military, it's a celebratory medal for public servants in the front line, including police, fire and rescue, ambulance etc, to commemorate her Majesty's 60 years on the throne. I would be happy to wear it if I qualified.
Rubbishing it as a chocolate medal is a form of inverted snobbery. Rejoice and celebrate for heaven's sake! There's not a lot else to be happy about these days.
Rubbishing it as a chocolate medal is a form of inverted snobbery. Rejoice and celebrate for heaven's sake! There's not a lot else to be happy about these days.
Last edited by Clockwork Mouse; 27th Nov 2011 at 14:24. Reason: Correcting senior moment pointed out by 500N!
Can remember being in primary one, Sister Gertrude's class, and John the janitor comes in and announces "The king's dead".
Bloody hell, was that nearly 60 years ago?
Bloody hell, was that nearly 60 years ago?
Perhaps a reasonable criterion to award the Queen's Diamond Jubilee medal to veterans would be to award it to those who, in addition to meeting the qualifying criteria for the 1977 Jubilee Medal but who did not receive it, subsequently completed a further 25 years of service?
Just a thought. But it would perhaps end the lingering sour taste many still feel about that wholly unfair 1977 'lottery'.
Just a thought. But it would perhaps end the lingering sour taste many still feel about that wholly unfair 1977 'lottery'.
More relevant might be a backdated gong for those who flew Fast Jets during the Cold War. The Mudmoving and Recce world was particularly hazardous, with guys spearing in left right and centre trying to get the job done with some of the lousy equipment we had. A Single-Seat OCU I was on lost 4 out of 12 staff killed in accidents in the space of 6 months in the 70s.
How about Bounced SAPs in Germany in “5km” visibility with the windscreen covered in insects?
And how about Lightning Low Level intercepts over the sea at night with no Rad Alt and the baro alt reading minus 1500ft because of Pressure Error?
The flying was exhilarating and - like most others - I wouldn’t have wanted to do anything else, but with TACEVAL, MAXEVAL etc. the job was extremely demanding and at times downright bloody dangerous.
How about Bounced SAPs in Germany in “5km” visibility with the windscreen covered in insects?
And how about Lightning Low Level intercepts over the sea at night with no Rad Alt and the baro alt reading minus 1500ft because of Pressure Error?
The flying was exhilarating and - like most others - I wouldn’t have wanted to do anything else, but with TACEVAL, MAXEVAL etc. the job was extremely demanding and at times downright bloody dangerous.
I can remember it too - woman from across the road came over (it was half term, or I was at home sick (too young to have learned to skive off school)) and Mrs Over (her name. although from "over the road") said to My Mum that the King was dead - They clung round each other sobbing their hearts out - G VI was very much loved for taking over when E VIII skipped off with his American bird and for his leadership and humanity during WWII. Now what did I have for breakfast?.......
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And how about Lightning Low Level intercepts over the sea at night with no Rad Alt and the baro alt reading minus 1500ft because of Pressure Error?
No?
Of course not, you can go on forever inventing reasons to get medals. Why not admit we enjoyed what we did, got reasonably well paid for doing it, and leave it at that!
Anyone old enough to have served in any military or close support service [such as, dare I say, Met.] during the Cold War will surely ack. that our victory and our medal was in winning?
The world and the country are again in a sh1t state, but we prevented it being blown into little bits.
Like our grandfathers and fathers, todays old gits got on with the business, there were lots of laughs, some tears, but when the Wall came down our many years of service paid off.
No medal, no OBE, but we know what we achieved, and we did it with ours eyes open.
As for the Jubilee medal, I for one am very glad that there are young people out there who will qualify for one [my daughter included], holding a slender line which keeps my a**e more or less safe.
The world and the country are again in a sh1t state, but we prevented it being blown into little bits.
Like our grandfathers and fathers, todays old gits got on with the business, there were lots of laughs, some tears, but when the Wall came down our many years of service paid off.
No medal, no OBE, but we know what we achieved, and we did it with ours eyes open.
As for the Jubilee medal, I for one am very glad that there are young people out there who will qualify for one [my daughter included], holding a slender line which keeps my a**e more or less safe.
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...did 30 years plus before leaving without a medal of any kind. Is this a record?
Anyway it's a bit late for me to start collecting meaningless baubles (Queen's Jubilee medal - for gods sake!).
Anyway it's a bit late for me to start collecting meaningless baubles (Queen's Jubilee medal - for gods sake!).
Ron,
You certainly beat me, I was still bare chested after close to 28 years. (The two conflicts that occured on my watch, The Falklands and GW1, happened when I was doing stints as a "Whitehall Warrior"!).
You certainly beat me, I was still bare chested after close to 28 years. (The two conflicts that occured on my watch, The Falklands and GW1, happened when I was doing stints as a "Whitehall Warrior"!).
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I'll wear it. Next to my medal from GW1 which was also awarded for attendance. At least they demonstrate that for 27 years I've been serving this country in one role or another. Much, much more than many of the oxygen thieves I deal with daily in my current employment.
Righting Some Wrongs
I haven’t followed every last post but I offer the following thoughts.
THE FIVE YEAR RULE:
If an individual has received a campaign medal or gallantry award without a campaign medal but has served less than the 5 years minimum: award the QDJM.
INJUSTICE:
Personnel of the RAF Reserve (Civilian Component): RAFR(CC) are formally appointed to uniformed posts; the officers are gazetted, appear in the Air Force List (when it was published), get the scroll from HM, wear uniform which is indistinguishable from other service personnel, and often hold command authority over regular personnel. In some cases their duties are more onerous than those of the RAFR holding what the service classes as ‘real reserve appointments’.
These RAFR(CC) are, however, recruited through the civil service channels and are paid against an equivalent civil service grade eg: Sqn Ldr = C2. Often, RAFR(CC) are the ‘public face’ of the RAF in areas such as community relations and they can be involved in administering some elements of our international commitments. Those who administer the air cadets, control and oversee the work of the RAFVR(T) and provide professional and service related ‘competences’ which VR(T) personnel don’t have.
It is likely that RAFR(CC) will not be deemed eligible for the QDJM, although RAFVR(T) will be and you may wish to compare this with, for example, Police Community Support Officers, who will be eligible on the time rule.
I declare that I have no personal interest in this anomaly, other than to see ‘justice’ for those who make a valuable contribution to the armed forces, its reserves and cadets.
Old Duffer
THE FIVE YEAR RULE:
If an individual has received a campaign medal or gallantry award without a campaign medal but has served less than the 5 years minimum: award the QDJM.
INJUSTICE:
Personnel of the RAF Reserve (Civilian Component): RAFR(CC) are formally appointed to uniformed posts; the officers are gazetted, appear in the Air Force List (when it was published), get the scroll from HM, wear uniform which is indistinguishable from other service personnel, and often hold command authority over regular personnel. In some cases their duties are more onerous than those of the RAFR holding what the service classes as ‘real reserve appointments’.
These RAFR(CC) are, however, recruited through the civil service channels and are paid against an equivalent civil service grade eg: Sqn Ldr = C2. Often, RAFR(CC) are the ‘public face’ of the RAF in areas such as community relations and they can be involved in administering some elements of our international commitments. Those who administer the air cadets, control and oversee the work of the RAFVR(T) and provide professional and service related ‘competences’ which VR(T) personnel don’t have.
It is likely that RAFR(CC) will not be deemed eligible for the QDJM, although RAFVR(T) will be and you may wish to compare this with, for example, Police Community Support Officers, who will be eligible on the time rule.
I declare that I have no personal interest in this anomaly, other than to see ‘justice’ for those who make a valuable contribution to the armed forces, its reserves and cadets.
Old Duffer
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Or how about this for the 5-year rule
If you qualify for the QGJM and had 25 years service prior then the right to wear the QSJM.
If you served for 5 years after the award of the QGJM award a rosette for the QGJM.
If you quaklify for the QDJM and had more than 5 years service prior then the right to wear the QGJM.
Then 5 years after the award of the QDJM award a rosette for the QDJM.
If you have more than 10,000 hours then a new award for ...........
TIC
If you qualify for the QGJM and had 25 years service prior then the right to wear the QSJM.
If you served for 5 years after the award of the QGJM award a rosette for the QGJM.
If you quaklify for the QDJM and had more than 5 years service prior then the right to wear the QGJM.
Then 5 years after the award of the QDJM award a rosette for the QDJM.
If you have more than 10,000 hours then a new award for ...........
TIC
