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BBC Coverage of Remembrance in Whitehall?

Old 13th Nov 2011, 17:23
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If one is a stickler for the correct use of old fashioned English then calling the RAF Regiment the 'military' arm of the RAF is quite correct. The term 'military' applies only to the Army hence Military Aviation = AAC. Perhaps more telling is the Naval and Military Club in London formed in 1862. Clearly the Military are diferent to the Navy and thus also different to the RAF.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 17:26
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Dimbleby represents much of what is wrong with the BBC these days.

He is smug, complacent, a total lefty (leftie?) and arrogant.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 17:35
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I certainly cannot picture him in a Lancaster recording the progress of a bombing raid over Germany - as his Father did in WW2.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 17:55
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Wearing of Poppies - RAF Dress Regulations (AP1358) has it thus at para 0132b:
b. Remembrance Day Poppy. The poppy may be worn from the onset of sales. Poppies are to be removed after the National and local observation of remembrance has concluded each year.
.... but of course, if you want the military regulations, you'll have to seek elsewhere .......
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 18:04
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 18:22
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The advertising slogan "Should have gone to S***savers!" comes very much to mind, and certainly could explain several of the Dimbleballs TH accurately quotes, particularly 1, 2, 6, and 7 (and perhaps 3 as well).

Much worse than the errors in the script, so far as I am concerned, was the apparent lack of co-ordination between DD and the techies during the march-past, when DD was attempting to describe one group when the camera at the time was showing a completely different group, frequently one that had long passed the Cenotaph. Regrettably, it happens every year.

I'll gloss over the fact that DD incorrectly called "Heart of Oak", the march of the Royal Navy, "Hearts of Oak", and even the fact that I believe that, when mentioning the Fleet Air Arm Association, he explained that the FAA as the Navy's "air force".

However, the "highlight" that got me going was when, as the Royal Northumberland Fusiliers veterans marched past, DD described how those who were unfortunately captured by the Chinese in Korea (after the Battle of the Imjin River in 1951) fashioned "red and white roses out of paper" in their prison camp. He corrected himself a few seconds later (or, more likely was corrected) and explain that he meant "hackles". I should think that that one raised a few "hackles" of a different kind, given the hard-earned origin of the red and white hackle. Such nice boys the Fighting Fifth, but not flowerboys.

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Old 13th Nov 2011, 18:49
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I always thought it was "Heart of Oak" - the stuff ships were made of.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 19:07
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I always thought it was "Heart of Oak" - the stuff ships were made of

Good Lord, Timelord, then you always thought correctly!

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Old 13th Nov 2011, 19:50
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DD also described CGS as 'the general who had laid a wreath earlier', rather than being able to name him, when a camera picked him up on a balcony watching the veterans march past.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 19:53
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"Sorry, Wensley D,

The Army Air Corps in 1944 comprised the Parachute Regt and Glider Pilot Regt, although it was a larger admin set up - it is strictly correct.

You will occasionally see reference to 'The Glider Pilot regt, Army Air Corps' or 'Parachute Regt .....'

However, this does not detract from the fact that Dimbleblunder is a useless presenter and should be put out to grass. There are frequently errors in what he says and those who listen to 'Any Questions' are also up in arms about them.

BTW Mrs CP thinks she knows the female pilot with medals galore, who led the RAF contingent at the Royal Albert hall last night. Is she a helio pilot (ex Army) called Penny G...... by any chance?"

The commentator was purely referring the the AAC as he said this. He was explaining who the folks in sky blue berets were. The glider pilots march in a separate formation of their own, and obviously wear a different head dress.

From (poor) memory he was commenting on 656 Sqn

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Old 13th Nov 2011, 20:25
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Possibly the right thread for this comment.
Just finished Sunday supper and had the usual accompaniment of the Beeb's 'Avarice Road Show';. How utterly, utterly soul-wrenching in content versus the more usual 'W'os it worth, then?' The final item summed it all up, really but the extraordinarily apt vision of the memorials to those 'Shot at Dawn' will stay with me for a very long time.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 20:29
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But why, oh why did the boy Stanhope (1SL) take up an initial position to the left of CDS! Even CGS and CAS were alert to his error and left him a space to allow him to recover his embarrassment.

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Old 13th Nov 2011, 20:31
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Dimbleby seems to have got a lot of flak here, and for good reason. It is not so much the inaccuracies, numerous though they are, but rather the feeling that it doesn't really matter much if he doesn't get it right anyway, it's only the Forces after all! That underlying attitude permeates a lot of BBC coverage, of Remembrance, Trooping, Lord Mayor's Show, etc, etc. My question is why should it be the Beeb anyway? Why can't Sky or ITN cover these great National Parades as lead broadcaster for a change? If you've ever cut from the Beeb Trooping (and the endless talk of "special salutes" and so on) to Sky News's coverage you can hear the Massed Bands more clearly because, a. they are not turned down and b. because they don't continually talk over them. It is only a matter of time before HM herself gets a beeb mike in her face and asked, "How does it feel like to be here today, Your Majesty?" When I watch these events, unequalled elsewhere, I want to do just that, ie watch and listen. Perhaps those who hanker for the "Dimbleby touch" could get it via subtitles. The opportunities for even more howlers would then seem endless...
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 20:31
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I'm struggling to understand why (unless you were watching in a duty crewroom, overseas or on Iplayer) you were tucked up in front of the telly at 11.00 GMT?

Mme Artist and I attended the war memorial service in the local town (nice 11.02 flypast by Puma x2) and then retired to a hostelry where we bought drinks for and listened to veterans. Daughter #3 then drove us home in time for a leg of roast lamb at 14.30
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 21:15
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I'm struggling to understand
and I'm struggling to understand why you didn't hit Record on your way out to said local ceremony, like the rest of us!
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 21:40
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My question is why should it be the Beeb anyway? Why can't Sky or ITN cover these great National Parades as lead broadcaster for a change?
Cop out answer? Any tv feature involving religion - as the Parade today arguably does - cannot be interrupted by advertisements. Neither ITN nor Sky would be willing to give up ~90minutes of their airtime without some form of revenue stream.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 21:56
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I wear a poppy pin badge from the start of November... And I wear a paper poppy from the first occasion that I meet a veteran with a collection tin..... From the moment every year when I donate in person, I wear a RBL paper poppy.....
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 22:00
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Not a cop out at all, MOTN, a fair point and I suspect a correct one. It would be interesting to know though if they have ever been asked. Interrupting the Trooping for a "word from our sponsors" would be even worse than words from Dumblebum! So that leaves us with the Beeb I guess. I seem to remember that this year's Trooping offered those with Red Buttons the opportunity to press them to extinguish all commentary. Was this available today? I recorded it to watch later so wouldn't know, but hopefully if this becomes the norm it might offer a refuge for those like me allergic to the drivel that passes for commentary on such BBC Broadcasts, and in fairness to Dimbleby not only from him!
Oh and while I'm in rant mode (thanks OP!) why do they always cut away from the March Past before the Cadet Contingents go through? Some of the smartest troops on parade every year.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 22:21
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I believe Sky can run without adverts. I recall that Shock and Awe was broadcast continuously and without commentary. Now that was true news broadcasting.
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