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21 dead in Chile plane crash

Old 3rd Sep 2011, 01:53
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Chilean Air Force Casa 212 missing

BBC News - Chile air force plane disappears over Pacific

Chile air force plane disappears over Pacific
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A Chilean air force plane has disappeared over the Pacific Ocean on its way to the remote Juan Fernandez islands, military officials have said.

Local media said there were 21 people on board the aircraft.

The mayor of the islands, Leopoldo Gonzalez, said weather conditions were rough and windy, and remains of the plane had been seen in the water.

Media reports say a TV crew was on the plane, including well-known presenter Felipe Camiroaga.

Chilean Defence Minister Andres Allamand said the Casa-212 military plane had tried twice to land unsuccessfully at Juan Fernandez island airport, 830 km (515 miles) from the country's coast, before it went missing, Reuters reports.

Mr Gonzalez said rescue boats have been searching for the wreckage, but have so far found only some suitcases.
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21 dead in Chile plane crash

Four bodies found after Chile plane crash - World news - Americas - msnbc.com

Didn't see see this posted.
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Not sure where this thread really belongs, in Chile the Air Farce operates scheduled civilian airline services.
Their safety record is a bit dubious but the local terrain and weather are probably a factor.
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No instrument approach at that airport.
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It was posted but moved to the military forum.
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Was there an alternate airport?
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the islands are 600km+ off the coast of Chile. The islands were stormbound. Any alternate airfield would presumably suffer the same weather conditions.
Your question should be whether they had enough fuel to abort and go back
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The islands are 830km from the coast so with 21 PAX and luggage there is no way they could carry enough fuel to return to the mainland and I doubt if they were equiped for inflight refueling.
It is entirely possible that they ran out of fuel while stooging around waiting for the weather to improve after 2 failed approaches.
What was their alternate on the flight plan ? Did they even have a viable alternate ?

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no other airfields marked on Google Earth on any of the three islands. From the reports it appears they were trying to land on Robinson Crusoe Island, the nearest to the mainland (~450 miles). Alexander Selkirk Island is another 150 miles or so further west.


PS Just found this on Wikidpeadia
There is a small, 2900-ft (885 m)-long airstrip (ICAO airport code: SCIR) in the southwestern part of the island, the only reasonable flat part of Robinson Crusoe. Operations are mostly centered in twin-engine, seven-seat light airplanes, with very limited baggage capabilities

Map Grim looking place

This page gives details of the runway and states the nearest airfield is 383 miles away
Pilot information for Robinson Crusoe Airport @ OurAirports

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An ideal operation for a Kingair 350. It can take enough fuel to hold for a couple of hours then return to the mainland if necessary.

Seems like an LNAV IAP would be a good plan as well.
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Chile Military Plane Crashes in Pacific Ocean, Killing 21 - Businessweek

The plane apparently ran out of fuel as strong crosswinds prevented it from landing on the island’s 1 kilometer-long airstrip, air force chief Gen. Jorge Rojas said.
That seems quite the leap at this stage of the investigation.
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  • CASA C-212-400 Aviocar
  • Flight plan: 2:30 flight, 3:40 fuel
  • Weather at SCIR good, ceiling 3000 feet
  • Two approaches attempted, abandoned due to difficult winds
  • Last contact after 3 hours in the air
  • Aircraft debris and clothing found 1 - 2 km from shore
  • 4 bodies found (now identified) in Bahia Villagra, 3km from SCIR
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inflight refueling

no inflight refueling for this a/c my friend
it's a pity
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Unhappy

for those 21 souls
Godspeed and rest in peace ladies and gents.
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who was the pilot

La heroica Carolina Fernández, piloto del avión siniestrado | fmquiero

follow this link if you want to read something in spanish about Pilot in Command and her background
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I was shocked when I heard this on the news. Initially no specific type or crash details were given and knowing the Chileans operate similar aircraft to my Sqn I immediately rang in to see if we were issued a Technical Bulletin.

Turns out it wasn't the same type and it was WX related. A relief to us but still a terrible tragedy. It's a pretty small aircraft to carry 21 people including a TV camera crew and gear though the specs allow it to carry more!!

May they RIP.

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Whoever authorised this flight should be shot.

Sh*t or bust operation with insufficient fuel to reach any viable alternate for diversion.

What were they thinking ?. Did they even have a weather report before departure ?.
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How about you wait before shooting your mouth off like a [email protected]
You know nothing about it. Not everywhere has a diversion.
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this is the google translation of the pilot pofile wishmaker linked to above
Google Translate

It was clearly not the first time she had flown the route
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