R-Day!!!
SRENNAPS,
Reference your earlier question at post 48, in the round of redundancies you were involved in there were 510 personnel in Tranche 1, 1200 in 2 and 819 in 3....
Tranche 3 were informed in writing on 12 Oct 06, almost 5 years ago....
RAF target strength was 41,000 by Apr 08....
Reference your earlier question at post 48, in the round of redundancies you were involved in there were 510 personnel in Tranche 1, 1200 in 2 and 819 in 3....
Tranche 3 were informed in writing on 12 Oct 06, almost 5 years ago....
RAF target strength was 41,000 by Apr 08....
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Many thanks for the info. I must admit I did not realise it was that many!
Tell me about it. I cannot believe how fast the time has gone. Miss it all, but no regrets.
Cheers
Many thanks for the info. I must admit I did not realise it was that many!
Tranche 3 were informed in writing on 12 Oct 06, almost 5 years ago....
Cheers
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Let's face it we were stiched at ISK. How come waddo only took so few hits and why, because we were led up the garden path. Yes I am angry and bitter but when you give 25 years of your life and are then given the heave ho how are you suppose to feel. Yes I'll get a pension but a lot wont and all those briefs about the pain being shared, what a load of B*&**$%s. This country is playing with fire and it will bite us in the ass, 6 billion barrels of oil down south will only be the start and what good will your super typhoon and uav be not much without an aircraft carrier and mpa.
Enough of the rant best of luck to all and who knows maybe someone will see sence but I doubt it.
Enough of the rant best of luck to all and who knows maybe someone will see sence but I doubt it.
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The RAF now have some time to sit back and see who bolts due to not getting an offer in tranche one...Fuelled by cunningly released wooly directives on the tranche two timings and numbers many will just cut their losses whilst the job market in some areas seems to be bouyant...It could be a sizeable saving when they do and a smaller tranche 2 to suit.
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One wonders why they use the word "tranche".
Why do I believe it is more to protect the feelings of the cutters rather than those of the cut? Why does that disgust me? Do the bosses today lack the intestinal fortitude those of only a quarter of a century or so seemed to have?
Congratulations to those that got their wish and deepest sympathies to those that didn't. Both groups deserved better than you got...
Why do I believe it is more to protect the feelings of the cutters rather than those of the cut? Why does that disgust me? Do the bosses today lack the intestinal fortitude those of only a quarter of a century or so seemed to have?
Congratulations to those that got their wish and deepest sympathies to those that didn't. Both groups deserved better than you got...
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Willard, why the use of 'tranche'? Simple, it is fashionable and, in the RAF it is associated with modern, forward-looking and punchy, CDS when these decisions were made was Jock Stirrup.
From Wiki:
Vim, I'm not sure 'cunning' applies here, that would be giving the leadership far too much credit.
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In other fields, notably aviation, the noun tranche is used to denote a block of units sharing a common standard. The Eurofighter Typhoon which is used by a number of European air forces, was built to a number of successive tranches.
Vim, I'm not sure 'cunning' applies here, that would be giving the leadership far too much credit.
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AA,
I don't think that anyone from ISK 'got their wish'; they wanted 21 MRA4 on the line and the ability to continue to provide the best LRMPA support in the world.
However, I grant you that, post SDSR, some of them got their second wish.
Duncs
I don't think that anyone from ISK 'got their wish'; they wanted 21 MRA4 on the line and the ability to continue to provide the best LRMPA support in the world.
However, I grant you that, post SDSR, some of them got their second wish.
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Let's face it we were stiched at ISK. How come waddo only took so few hits and why
Now take some of the very capable people up at ISK and start doing the math on keeping them busy but perhaps not productive until a space appears in the training pipeline, then pay to move them and take a place on the OCU. Then wait the 18 months+ for them to achieve CR and a level of unsupervised usefulness....Or you could just leave the trained, already settled and experienced people in place, hope to God not many more leave(!) and rely on the trickle feed to keep you going whilst minimising the spend.
You may have picked up on my tone and that I don't think it's a great way to do business...a great deal of skill is about to walk out the door at Kinloss that would have doubtless excelled at Waddington but I don't believe the recent decisions are being driven wholly by even medium term thinking...They are, as ever and in my opinion, being driven by people under extreme pressure to find savings of ever more expanding dimensions so the right solution is forced out by the necessary action...
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Feather bed redundancy
I think that some of the above fail to understand how lucky they are being made redundant by HMG, you get a big pay off resettlement courses and time to think about what to do next.
I have lost my job three times with no notice,no pay off & no chance of getting the money that is owed to you.......... It was just airline captain to unemployed in a heartbeat.
I know it is disturbing to be out of a job but you guys are at least protected from the worst of it. In total my ex employers owe me IRO £100K with no chance of recovering the money.
I think all In all you are having rather an easy time of redundancy.
I have lost my job three times with no notice,no pay off & no chance of getting the money that is owed to you.......... It was just airline captain to unemployed in a heartbeat.
I know it is disturbing to be out of a job but you guys are at least protected from the worst of it. In total my ex employers owe me IRO £100K with no chance of recovering the money.
I think all In all you are having rather an easy time of redundancy.
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I think that some of the above fail to understand how lucky they are being made redundant by HMG, you get a big pay off resettlement courses and time to think about what to do next.
I have lost my job three times with no notice,no pay off & no chance of getting the money that is owed to you.......... It was just airline captain to unemployed in a heartbeat.
I know it is disturbing to be out of a job but you guys are at least protected from the worst of it. In total my ex employers owe me IRO £100K with no chance of recovering the money.
I think all In all you are having rather an easy time of redundancy.
I have lost my job three times with no notice,no pay off & no chance of getting the money that is owed to you.......... It was just airline captain to unemployed in a heartbeat.
I know it is disturbing to be out of a job but you guys are at least protected from the worst of it. In total my ex employers owe me IRO £100K with no chance of recovering the money.
I think all In all you are having rather an easy time of redundancy.
These are MILITARY folk losing their MILITARY jobs so the bleatings of some bloody bedwetter who is plainly incapable of holding down gainful employment are of absolutely no relevance what so ever
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You are so rude that you are just proving that you are unable to see the advantages of getting the chop from HMG rather than a private company.
As to not being able to hold down a job, I have been in the airline business for twenty years, never failed a check ride of any type and never gone on the dole.
All three companies went bust under me, so there is no question of not being able to hold down a job.
Perhaps if you opened your narrow mind you might have half a chance of holding down a civilian job, you have got the big pay off so now we don't owe you any more and you are going to have to earn your keep in civilian life.
As to the calls for my post to be deleted by the moderators this seems pointless as deleting my post won't make the facts go away.
As to not being able to hold down a job, I have been in the airline business for twenty years, never failed a check ride of any type and never gone on the dole.
All three companies went bust under me, so there is no question of not being able to hold down a job.
Perhaps if you opened your narrow mind you might have half a chance of holding down a civilian job, you have got the big pay off so now we don't owe you any more and you are going to have to earn your keep in civilian life.
As to the calls for my post to be deleted by the moderators this seems pointless as deleting my post won't make the facts go away.
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I take your point, that is why the redundancy terms are so much better than in the civilian world dispite what you read in the Daily Mail.
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a great deal of skill is about to walk out the door at Kinloss
Given that a lot of the younger generation only mainly have experience of transitting up and down the boulevard and flying circles while they did ISR, and also that getting an MPA again in the future is still only an unfunded aspiration, in the fullness of time I think it will be clear that the MOD have f***ed up in spades. To be honest in some circles I understand it is very clear that they appreciate that fact now, but we are stuck with the Political decision which was made by the man at the top after all.
In letting various mates know that I got a letter, I found an e-mail from quite a few months ago:
At the moment as I describe it, I don't want to be part of the tin-pot outfit the RAF will be once all the cuts have happened. Even though I'm PA, I don't think there is much chance of me getting to fly anything else, and at the end of the day it's always been the flying I've loved, not the desk jobs. If I stay I'd probably get some dull job down South that would mean doing the weekly commute, hence I am seriously considering applying for redundancy on the 2nd Tranche. That would be an exit date of 31st Aug 12, and would be same date if I was made compulsorily redundant on the 1st Tranche.
Looking back it's been a great ride, and as others have said, I've met and worked with some great people. My personal merry-go-round will be stopping in a years time though and I'm ready to get off.
betty-s,
Of all the names on the list I saw I have to say that your better halfs was one of only a couple to activate my WTF caption.
As an ex Kipper Fleet individual of the long ago never-to-be-repeated 1975 compulsory redundancies', I wish all the "redundees" the best-of-luck. If you did not volunteer, turn any anger and bitterness you may feel into a "I'll show the ba-----s" motivation, and get on with it! As for the lunatics who got rid of LRMPA may I suggest you never vote for them again. The MRLP awaits! If you in your new civvy' incarnation end up with a T--y MP write and tell them precisely why'.