Redundancy Tranche 2 delayed.
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Redundancy Tranche 2 delayed.
Great. They're pissing us around again. When you read this in conjunction with the People Campaign Plan (our personnel are our most valued asset), it makes you realise just how full of s**t the Air Ranks are.
IF YOU'RE READING THIS AIR FARCE COMMAND, DO THE HONOURABLE THING AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WTF IS GOING ON SO WE CAN GET ON WITH OUR LIVES.
DIB 20110802
Notification of selection for redundancy in Tranche 1 of the Armed Forces Redundancy Programme will take place, as planned on 1 September 2011 for Army and RAF, and 30 September 2011 for the Royal Navy.
• Announcement of fields, and opening of the window for applications from those in the fields for Tranche 2, will be delayed to early 2012.
• All other Redundancy Programme policies remain in force.
DETAIL:
1. Notification of those selected in Tranche 1 of the Armed Forces Redundancy Programme will take place on 1 Sep 11 for Army and RAF and 30 Sep 11 for RN, as previously announced.
2. Announcement of those fields making up Tranche 2 of the programme is being delayed to ensure the broader impact of Defence Transformation is taken into account so that the right decisions can be made on the future balance of skills and experience across the forces.
3. Announcement of tranche 2 fields will take place in early 2012, and subsequent tranches are also likely to be delayed from the previously planned dates.
4. We realise the Redundancy Programme causes great uncertainty for all our Service personnel and we will confirm the date or dates for tranche 2 announcements as soon as we can.
5. There will be no change to the length of the period of notice for individuals selected for redundancy – 6 months from notification for applicants and 12 months for non-applicants.
6. The delays will also help us to absorb a change in accounting policy.
7. All tranches are still planned to be completed by the end of 2015.
IF YOU'RE READING THIS AIR FARCE COMMAND, DO THE HONOURABLE THING AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WTF IS GOING ON SO WE CAN GET ON WITH OUR LIVES.
DIB 20110802
Notification of selection for redundancy in Tranche 1 of the Armed Forces Redundancy Programme will take place, as planned on 1 September 2011 for Army and RAF, and 30 September 2011 for the Royal Navy.
• Announcement of fields, and opening of the window for applications from those in the fields for Tranche 2, will be delayed to early 2012.
• All other Redundancy Programme policies remain in force.
DETAIL:
1. Notification of those selected in Tranche 1 of the Armed Forces Redundancy Programme will take place on 1 Sep 11 for Army and RAF and 30 Sep 11 for RN, as previously announced.
2. Announcement of those fields making up Tranche 2 of the programme is being delayed to ensure the broader impact of Defence Transformation is taken into account so that the right decisions can be made on the future balance of skills and experience across the forces.
3. Announcement of tranche 2 fields will take place in early 2012, and subsequent tranches are also likely to be delayed from the previously planned dates.
4. We realise the Redundancy Programme causes great uncertainty for all our Service personnel and we will confirm the date or dates for tranche 2 announcements as soon as we can.
5. There will be no change to the length of the period of notice for individuals selected for redundancy – 6 months from notification for applicants and 12 months for non-applicants.
6. The delays will also help us to absorb a change in accounting policy.
7. All tranches are still planned to be completed by the end of 2015.
As far as I understand with both mil redundancies and VERS having been considerably more popular than anticipated, there is a lack of cash in the pot to meet the redundancy payments.
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You really couldn't make this up. 
After every lunatic decision I think I've seen it all. Then they go and trump it a little further down the line. What odds on keeping RAF Lyneham airfield open as a hub for the inbound schools. Perhaps they'll use the studes for 2nd and 3rd line servicing on the remaining aircraft types. Get their instructors to sign-off the work and Robert is your Mothers Brother.
After every lunatic decision I think I've seen it all. Then they go and trump it a little further down the line. What odds on keeping RAF Lyneham airfield open as a hub for the inbound schools. Perhaps they'll use the studes for 2nd and 3rd line servicing on the remaining aircraft types. Get their instructors to sign-off the work and Robert is your Mothers Brother.
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IF YOU'RE READING THIS AIR FARCE COMMAND, DO THE HONOURABLE THING AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WTF IS GOING ON SO WE CAN GET ON WITH OUR LIVES.
We at Manning read PPrune and are aware that a 'lot' of people are sufficiently hacked off to pull the yellow and black. The rumours are backed up by facts 
Therefore we are going to watch and shoot: Wait Out!
Therefore we are going to watch and shoot: Wait Out!
Wait 6 months, let people PVR instead of wait for redundancy and you've saved yourself £40k in extra pay-out and the cost of flying pay per person. Good economics, it would seem.
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And the most laughable thing is the recruitment adverts have started up on TV, we are getting rid of potentially 7000 fully trained experienced personnel only to replace them with 7000 non trained personnel Most of which will require at least 5 years to become competent in whatever trade they may be.
Most of which will require at least 5 years to become competent in whatever trade they may be.
Could it be that the more people who PVR, the longer it might take for any 2nd tranche to be decided? After all, if personnel numbers decline due to PVRs, there is no need for much of a 2nd tranche of redundancies. And as others have pointed out, PVRs seem to cost a lot less than redundancies.
MoD? Ministry of Dickheads .............
MoD? Ministry of Dickheads .............
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I'm guessing it might be to do with this....
Cuts have left our troops with mission impossible in Libya and Afghanistan - Telegraph
Cuts have left our troops with mission impossible in Libya and Afghanistan - Telegraph
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I thought it was standard practice to wait for some major disaster to occur in the World, then slip out the redundancies whilst the press and everyone elses gaze is diverted elsewhere.
I smell the interference of the pollys. RAF Tranche 2 announcements had already been slipped to coincide with that of the Army And Royal Navy so there was only 'one day of bad news'. I suspect that they wanted to push it further to the right hoping that Libya is over, also I am sure people above are correct - the more that PVR the cheaper it is; no redundancy, no specialist pay during the period and the reduction in pension because you have PVR'd (standfast all over 49). I wonder how many extra times the brass bell will ring at Hot Air Command this week?
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Todays News from Sky:
Perhaps the anchor has been deployed or at least a brake chute to enable some consolidation of facts to be considered before continuing the massacre. I suspect that the PVR Express (if indeed is factual rather then gamesmanship hot air) may have too much momentum already to prevent a Manning crisis downstream. The suggested crisis may be looming large over the horizon already. Unfortunately these pages do not provide info on ground force PVR rates from any services. Does anybody who frequents E-Goat, Arsse or a Navy equivelent(?) know what the shop-floor speak is on those forums?
Cuts to the armed forces may leave them unable to carry out their duties after 2015, a Government committee has warned. The Defence Select Committee said without firm commitments to improved funding, Britain's politicians risk "failing" the country's military. The report has rejected the Prime Minister's assurance that the UK retains a "full spectrum" defence capability.
October's Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) outlined plans to reduce the Army by 7,000 and the Royal Navy and RAF by 5,000 each as part of a cost-cutting exercise. The review also saw the scrapping of some equipment, including the Nimrod MRA4 reconnaissance planes and Harrier jump jets and the early withdrawal of HMS Ark Royal . The committee warns that the National Security Strategy unveiled last autumn was in danger of becoming no more than a "wish list" unless the necessary money was committed to deliver the future armed forces envisaged for 2020 and beyond.
In July Defence Secretary Liam Fox announced that spending on equipment will increase by 1% above inflation each year after 2015 to pave the way for the so-called Future Force 2020. And he has told Sky News that extra funding will always be available for the military. The Defence Committee said it was "not convinced that, given the current financial climate and the drawdown of capabilities arising from the SDSR, UK armed forces will be able do what is asked of them after 2015".
Committee chairman James Arbuthnot said: "Decisions for post-2015 funding will have to be made in the very near future to ensure progress towards Future Force 2020. "If the ambition of a real-term funding increase is not realised, we will have failed our Armed Forces." The report said the SDSR failed to show how decisions like the withdrawal of the Ark Royal and the Harriers will allow the armed forces to undertake the tasks handed to them. It also raised concerns about Britain's ability to be able to continue fighting in Libya and Afghanistan.
October's Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) outlined plans to reduce the Army by 7,000 and the Royal Navy and RAF by 5,000 each as part of a cost-cutting exercise. The review also saw the scrapping of some equipment, including the Nimrod MRA4 reconnaissance planes and Harrier jump jets and the early withdrawal of HMS Ark Royal . The committee warns that the National Security Strategy unveiled last autumn was in danger of becoming no more than a "wish list" unless the necessary money was committed to deliver the future armed forces envisaged for 2020 and beyond.
In July Defence Secretary Liam Fox announced that spending on equipment will increase by 1% above inflation each year after 2015 to pave the way for the so-called Future Force 2020. And he has told Sky News that extra funding will always be available for the military. The Defence Committee said it was "not convinced that, given the current financial climate and the drawdown of capabilities arising from the SDSR, UK armed forces will be able do what is asked of them after 2015".
Committee chairman James Arbuthnot said: "Decisions for post-2015 funding will have to be made in the very near future to ensure progress towards Future Force 2020. "If the ambition of a real-term funding increase is not realised, we will have failed our Armed Forces." The report said the SDSR failed to show how decisions like the withdrawal of the Ark Royal and the Harriers will allow the armed forces to undertake the tasks handed to them. It also raised concerns about Britain's ability to be able to continue fighting in Libya and Afghanistan.
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Actually, I can feel some sympathy with the current regime. Look at the ex Military names involved in the Commons Select Cttee discussion. The very names who spanked £38 billion of taxpayers money over and above the defence budget that they were given, and now just sit around carping from the House of Lords.
Stinking hypocrites....
Stinking hypocrites....
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Actually, I can feel some sympathy with the current regime.
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Better news from the latest policy 180:
• Zeroing of Leave at 3 yearly Intervals. The policy of zeroing of unused carried-forward leave at 3 yearly intervals has ceased (promulgated in IBN 09/11 on 1 Jul 11).
• Zeroing of Leave on-Assignment. The policy of zeroing unused carried-forward leave on assignment will cease with immediate effect. However, this policy will not be applied retrospectively.
• Carry-forward of Leave. Annual carry-forward of leave remains at 15 days. In exceptional circumstances, such as being unable to take leave due to deployments, being employed directly in support of operations, or undertaking long courses etc, individuals can apply through their Chain of Command to carry-forward balances in excess of 15 days.
• Zeroing of Leave at 3 yearly Intervals. The policy of zeroing of unused carried-forward leave at 3 yearly intervals has ceased (promulgated in IBN 09/11 on 1 Jul 11).
• Zeroing of Leave on-Assignment. The policy of zeroing unused carried-forward leave on assignment will cease with immediate effect. However, this policy will not be applied retrospectively.
• Carry-forward of Leave. Annual carry-forward of leave remains at 15 days. In exceptional circumstances, such as being unable to take leave due to deployments, being employed directly in support of operations, or undertaking long courses etc, individuals can apply through their Chain of Command to carry-forward balances in excess of 15 days.
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''As far as I understand with both mil redundancies and VERS having been considerably more popular than anticipated, there is a lack of cash in the pot to meet the redundancy payments''........
Really Maxibon. I'll accept that VERS was massively oversubscribed but the RAF redundancy applications for tranche 1 were running at approx 50% up take. I wouldn't say thats 'considerably more popular than anticipated'. I know guys who are volunteering for afghan so they 'can't be made redundant'! Last thing i heard was Tranche 1 will be 50% volunteers the rest will be pushed. I feel sorry for anyone who's pushed but it could be the best thing that ever happens to them in the long run.
Really Maxibon. I'll accept that VERS was massively oversubscribed but the RAF redundancy applications for tranche 1 were running at approx 50% up take. I wouldn't say thats 'considerably more popular than anticipated'. I know guys who are volunteering for afghan so they 'can't be made redundant'! Last thing i heard was Tranche 1 will be 50% volunteers the rest will be pushed. I feel sorry for anyone who's pushed but it could be the best thing that ever happens to them in the long run.