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CHF - Merlin Mk 4

Old 25th Dec 2013, 21:14
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Tourist - no different to 'Theatre CR' vice 'CR'......
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First photo of a green Merlin with RN tags posted across on UKAR. The link is http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=62691.

I have not embedded the photo as it has not been copyright watermarked.

Shame there doesn't appear to have been a full respray.
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 19:33
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Have patience...all in good time when they come out the factory as Mk4s vice Mk3.
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As far as I know the 1st 8 (?) out of the factory will be Mk 3i, an interim upgrade with rotor-fold only. This will keep CHF going until the rest of the Merlins have been upgraded to the full Mk 4 conversion.


I'm told the 'Royal Navy' title on the above photo was to 'wind up' the RAF chaps...in a nice way obviously.
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 23:38
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When you say upgraded you mean in the sense of cockpit, screens, folding head etc, but unfortunately a massive downgrade in lift capability with all that added weight! Oh well at least we are rid of it!
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I wouldn't place any money on the weight being that much more. There is very little extra weight. You are replacing most bits not adding metal. For a start your ripping out heavy CRT and replacing with thin LCD. You're removing a rotor and replacing with another. Its going to be in the very low hundreds of kg I think
 
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Its going to be in the very low hundreds of kg I think


I sincerely hope not!
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 07:30
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If it is in the very low hundreds of kg then you can kiss goodbye to hot performance. Have you any idea of the kit, including avionics, that was removed from the Mk3 in Th to give it the required capability?
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If I remember correctly the weight penalty is around the 350kg mark - remember it isn't just the head and tail but changes to the undercarriage and tie downs etc. Unfortunately unlike the Mk 1 to 2 there isn't much scope for reducing weight as I believe most of the weight reduction in that programme was linked to the mission kit that clearly isn't present in the 3/3a. If you add in the BP fit (a brave man who wouldn't given it is available) + DAS fit you are adding around 900kg to the basic AUM giving 3600 kg (ish, figures from memory only) disposable on a 15,600 cab. So not a performance upgrade but clearly giving it a capability it doesn't currently have. All it needs is a reduced basic weight, better engines & gearbox & we might have a cracking machine!
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 09:16
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Having flown MK3s during multiple tours in hot and high conditions, I can tell you for certain that an addition 300-500kgs will render it pretty useless!!
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 12:23
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SSSSHHHHH! They might realise we've offloaded a pup to them and try to give them back............
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A gearbox, a gearbox, my kingdom for a gearbox with growth potential.
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 19:01
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If only someone had designed and built a ceramic gearbox that would massively reduce weight whilst at the same time hugely improving the amount of torque you can pull.......
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CHF - Merlin Mk 4

14 Mk6 Chinny for 28 ish Merlin Mk3/3a - trade of the century!
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 22:36
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To imply 5-600 kg would kill the merlin in Afghan would be saying it was any use in the first place..but its going to be at sea level with chf
 
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Yep all those those red illum nights that the Chinnys weren't allowed to fly in by their DDH (Ahhhhh bless, scared of a little darkness) and we picked up all the tasking instead... Pretty useless......
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Fear of red illum always amused me.... I have trouble seeing anything means they can't see ****.
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 15:07
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I think I'll call that a bite from a merlin driver. So easy
 
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Is there a date for the handover of the RAF Merlin Force to the RN? I heard somewhere that it is this month.
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The formal hand over of the RAF?S Merlin Helicopter Force to the Royal Navy?s Commando Helicopter Force takes place at RAF Benson on 30 September 2014 - IHS Jane's 360


What is going to happen to the two RAF Sqn's and the aircrew and ground crew.
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