RAF Nimrod / Argentine B707 encounter Falklands War ?
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Question re the subs and possibility of dropping something on them.
You mentioned Maggie told the Soviets to back off.
If you had found a sub close to the fleet down south (and it wasn't ours)
would you have dropped a torpedo and is that your decision or would it have gone right up to Sandy Woodward or even higher for a decision ?
Or would it depend on who's sub it was and what they were doing / intent ?
Thanks
You mentioned Maggie told the Soviets to back off.
If you had found a sub close to the fleet down south (and it wasn't ours)
would you have dropped a torpedo and is that your decision or would it have gone right up to Sandy Woodward or even higher for a decision ?
Or would it depend on who's sub it was and what they were doing / intent ?
Thanks
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Hydraulics
More like it was a long way home on the Yellow system for all those flying control servodynes. Only needed the Red system near the end for the happy landing bit, aarrgh the smell of OF4 !
The smell was worse in the MK 1 which of course was what we were in, that and the Jez running did not make it comfortable in fact I seem to remember we were on O2 at the end of the sortie. Agree with the yellow system.....AAAAArgh its all coming back.
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It's not ALL coming back Fergie me old mate,
check your logbook - we were Mk2 by then (finished converting the previous October) <g> We flew 230 down there via Gib (13 April KSS, 15th ASI) and 243 back. I seem to recall we relieved a 42 crew out there who'd actually just been passing through when it all blew up. I'm not 100% positive but I think we (120) deployed 2 crews initially, which would perhaps explain why there's been a bit of confusion about who got there first... the answer, of course, being 42 <g>
We were, then, non-AAR, of course...so had to hurl defiance at the Argie hordes from quite a long way away.
Dave
check your logbook - we were Mk2 by then (finished converting the previous October) <g> We flew 230 down there via Gib (13 April KSS, 15th ASI) and 243 back. I seem to recall we relieved a 42 crew out there who'd actually just been passing through when it all blew up. I'm not 100% positive but I think we (120) deployed 2 crews initially, which would perhaps explain why there's been a bit of confusion about who got there first... the answer, of course, being 42 <g>
We were, then, non-AAR, of course...so had to hurl defiance at the Argie hordes from quite a long way away.
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Old fella there are still some masters of the dark arts out there, you just have to keep yer hand in
. I learnt a lot that still stands today from a few of you, just ask Dimmer Switch how he was going to please me
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Old fella there are still some masters of the dark arts out there, you just have to keep yer hand in
. I learnt a lot that still stands today from a few of you, just ask Dimmer Switch how he was going to please meCharlie sends
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No 42 (TB) Squadron deployed 2 aircraft and 3 crews to Ascension on 5th April, via a night stop in Lajes. The 3rd crew returned to UK as there was a shortage of accomodation, so we had 2 crews and 2 aircraft. My crew then flew the first sortie on the 7th. We were relieved by Kinloss crews and left for the Gibralter on 13th. To save fuel on the island we left with min fuel to get to Dakar.
Thanks for the info about the payload.
Are you positive about the Charlie class, it was detected then? I heard about a Victor class boat trailing the fleet (along with the Zaporozhye AGI) but never about a Charlie.
Regards!
Are you positive about the Charlie class, it was detected then? I heard about a Victor class boat trailing the fleet (along with the Zaporozhye AGI) but never about a Charlie.
Regards!
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Loading Torpedoes in AI
I recall that night when we were loading up. We had 2 aircraft (all the slots that MRs were allowed on Wideawake), and had just helped the armourers to put SAR stuff in one of the planes, shortly after which the majority of them went off for a break, leaving only 2 qualified with us near the Nosey hangar.
So when the sh1t hit the fan, a bunch of us were pressed into service to offload the SAR we had just put in and help load torps (the one Sgt and J/T being slightly overstretched)... he told us after the crew arrived that he didn't know it was possible to get a load in the bay so quickly - esp with a load of fairy trades providing the "muscle".
I recall them being Stingrays, as we had taken delivery of a stack only that week.
So when the sh1t hit the fan, a bunch of us were pressed into service to offload the SAR we had just put in and help load torps (the one Sgt and J/T being slightly overstretched)... he told us after the crew arrived that he didn't know it was possible to get a load in the bay so quickly - esp with a load of fairy trades providing the "muscle".
I recall them being Stingrays, as we had taken delivery of a stack only that week.
I cant remember back 30 years as to what the ROE`s were but i think everything but the RN were game.
I also heard that the RN popped a seadart off against a Victor refueler (not a sub) luckily it did not reach its target.
I also heard that the RN popped a seadart off against a Victor refueler (not a sub) luckily it did not reach its target.
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Spot on!!
We were "duty/6hr/SAR" and (as described above) fresh in theatre. It was late afternoon when we got the nod about the Fearless contact.
The nav (top guy...famous brother) was a little disconcerted. New weapons, ROEs (first real shooting amtch for all of us remember). Capt (SB) right no panic, it'll take the ground crew a couple of hours to get the load, so plenty of time to plan this out.
One minute later... phone rings...
"Aircraft ready...scramble"
XV239 5 hours day 3 hours night.
We did not know the classification until we "joined" and that's when the Nav pulled all the circuit breakers!
Lead Wet (SG) downgraded the whole thing after about 30 seconds after contact in anyway. (Charlie Luncher Note...as you'd expect, with the correct mixture of contempt and weary "I told you so").
Awesome wet team, the golfer, the Falmoth Master and the sleeper.
We were not AAR at that time (trials were in progress) and I don't think the 500 pounders were fitted until a bit later either. My log book shows us slinging them at Garvie Island on May 28th.
We did two stints
23 Apr to 5 May & 19 Jun to 3 July
Lots of memories...going on the wazz after a black buck raid was pretty high up the list. I broke a rib falling of the balcony of the exiles club.
PS
ROEs at the time disclosed in a number of books but I'm not sure they have yet been officially released so I'll stay stum. Sufficit to say they were only applicable to argies. Usual rules for Sovs (as they were then) applied.
PPS
You might well ask why we stayed up for 8 hours............
Spot on!!
We were "duty/6hr/SAR" and (as described above) fresh in theatre. It was late afternoon when we got the nod about the Fearless contact.
The nav (top guy...famous brother) was a little disconcerted. New weapons, ROEs (first real shooting amtch for all of us remember). Capt (SB) right no panic, it'll take the ground crew a couple of hours to get the load, so plenty of time to plan this out.
One minute later... phone rings...
"Aircraft ready...scramble"
XV239 5 hours day 3 hours night.
We did not know the classification until we "joined" and that's when the Nav pulled all the circuit breakers!
Lead Wet (SG) downgraded the whole thing after about 30 seconds after contact in anyway. (Charlie Luncher Note...as you'd expect, with the correct mixture of contempt and weary "I told you so").
Awesome wet team, the golfer, the Falmoth Master and the sleeper.
We were not AAR at that time (trials were in progress) and I don't think the 500 pounders were fitted until a bit later either. My log book shows us slinging them at Garvie Island on May 28th.
We did two stints
23 Apr to 5 May & 19 Jun to 3 July
Lots of memories...going on the wazz after a black buck raid was pretty high up the list. I broke a rib falling of the balcony of the exiles club.
PS
ROEs at the time disclosed in a number of books but I'm not sure they have yet been officially released so I'll stay stum. Sufficit to say they were only applicable to argies. Usual rules for Sovs (as they were then) applied.
PPS
You might well ask why we stayed up for 8 hours............
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Seriously...
We were on ops...
We were away from home...
Nobody was counting....
We were getting rations from the extremely well equipped US dining facility on Wideawake...
We had enough food for 8 days!!!
Standard breakfast order
Six eggs easy over, bacon, hash browns, six slices of toast...hold the sausage. Chef didn't bat an eye.
We were on ops...
We were away from home...
Nobody was counting....
We were getting rations from the extremely well equipped US dining facility on Wideawake...
We had enough food for 8 days!!!
Standard breakfast order
Six eggs easy over, bacon, hash browns, six slices of toast...hold the sausage. Chef didn't bat an eye.
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Just been reading all this thread and checked el log book
we were in xv232 on 12 may 1982 on our way down to the Falklands to do our patrol when spotted the 707 going right to left in direction of task force. Co pilot wanted to chase but told him 707 was a tad faster than us. On 9 July (back in UK) did fighter affiliation with two phantoms one of which said he would tackle us on his own but he didnt know our Pilot was display pilot and we turn in on him and got growl off the sidewinder. On 22 july went back to ascension (XV234) and spent month aug doing work with Navy bringing the aircraft back on 19 aug.
No sidewinders fired for real.
Now anybody know where i can get a pylon for XV250 at Elvington want to fit sidewinders but havent got the correct pylon?
we were in xv232 on 12 may 1982 on our way down to the Falklands to do our patrol when spotted the 707 going right to left in direction of task force. Co pilot wanted to chase but told him 707 was a tad faster than us. On 9 July (back in UK) did fighter affiliation with two phantoms one of which said he would tackle us on his own but he didnt know our Pilot was display pilot and we turn in on him and got growl off the sidewinder. On 22 july went back to ascension (XV234) and spent month aug doing work with Navy bringing the aircraft back on 19 aug.
No sidewinders fired for real.
Now anybody know where i can get a pylon for XV250 at Elvington want to fit sidewinders but havent got the correct pylon?
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Great memories.... My log book shows us arriving at ASI on May 7th and we were the first AAR to arrive there. On one of our 19 hour sorties I remember an encounter with the 707 thus...... After about 6 hrs of transit and two refuellings we all had to climb into our immersion suits as we were entering the danger zone,
FSNB was on ESM, ......Capt ESM, Such and such radar bearing 215 degrees, fitted to the Argentinian 707.
Pause
ESM Capt, what does that mean to us?
Pause
FSNB (in a loud and dramatic voice) WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIEEEE!!!!
Cue laughter all round.
Great way to relieve the tension I can tell you.
I also remember doing fighter affil against the Tornadoes and winning. Once you got the Low and Slow, Tight circle tactic off pat they could'nt get a lock on, they could'nt fly slow enough to keep behind us.
FSNB was on ESM, ......Capt ESM, Such and such radar bearing 215 degrees, fitted to the Argentinian 707.
Pause
ESM Capt, what does that mean to us?
Pause
FSNB (in a loud and dramatic voice) WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIEEEE!!!!
Cue laughter all round.
Great way to relieve the tension I can tell you.
I also remember doing fighter affil against the Tornadoes and winning. Once you got the Low and Slow, Tight circle tactic off pat they could'nt get a lock on, they could'nt fly slow enough to keep behind us.