Brize move a farce..

[plans123]

An interesting post here .....

What do you think? have they made a pigs ear out of a silk purse?

[lj101]

Brize Norton has, from the Station Commander down, been filled with ex Lynham personnel in key positions for the last 2 years. It was done (i am told) to help smooth the path for Lyneham to be 'absorbed' as much as possible with their 'own' looking after them.
It was always going to be a nightmare to sort out, but if there are any sticks to be thrown, any accusation of 'Brize personnel seeing them off', is not one of them.

[FFP]

Brize Norton has, from the Station Commander down, been filled with ex Lynham personnel

Apart from the last Staish who spent most of his time at Brize.......
(Not mentioned because I think that's an issue, more to correct the fact about Lyneham people in key posts........)

[lj101]

FFP

Sorry mate - i am confused (not difficult). The station commander at Brize, who's been in situ for quite a while, is a hercules mate.

The last station commander, was not.

What's your point?

[AdmiralPiett]

I'm really confused...
Where has this come from?

"but if there are any sticks to be thrown, any accusation of 'Brize personnel seeing them off', is not one of them"???

and ? again! You then seem to answer your own accusation by implying that the Ex-Lyneham pers at Brize are at blame?

On monday you're all going to part of one station.

[lj101]

Admiral whatever you are called...

My point is simply - it was always going to be a nightmare to absorb the 2 stations into one. No one is to blame as all doing their best with the cards they were given.

..and now bored with thread so spew all you like.

[AdmiralPiett]

And my point was simply - that your original post is full of them and us.

Surely that is the source of the problem?

That is all.

[5 Forward 6 Back]

I think it's a bit silly to blame this on an "us and them" situation between the 2 bases.

How does that generate the problem that singlies are being put in hotels for 18-odd months before accommodation's available, and the waiting list for quarters stretches to over 50 families?

Sounds like there's not really enough space at Brize, frankly.

[MrBernoulli]

Sounds like there's not really enough space at Brize, frankly.

There never was, even before there was a hint of closing Lyneham! Only boneheads would think it is feasible or practical to put all that on one base such as Brize. 10 Sqn reforms very shortly too, with the Scarebus 330. Ground aircraft movements around the taxiways are going to become a real issue. As are noise complaints.

Thank ferk I am no longer directly involved in either of the farces that are Brize and the RAF. Really sad situation.

[Neptunus Rex]

This whole sorry scheme was a b*ggers muddle from its inception.

A quart into a pint pot as any fule coud see.

[Kitsune]

Of course, all those now at Brize who have been b.ggered about in their service lives (and of course their dependents) will have ample opportunity to exercise their democratic rights by voting out the local M.P....

[BEagle]

As are noise complaints.

Mr B, mate, there's so little flying in British West Oxfordshire these days, that noise is the least concern....

Good luck to all those who will have to suffer under this utter bollockology - it is clear that 'individual needs' were never considered when this ar$e decision was made.

[Evalu8ter]

Beags,
Probably quite the opposite. The "individual needs" of a small group have been very well met by this farce; those individuals that have been rewarded by promotions and gongs thanks to the "savings" they've generated.....

[MrBernoulli]

Beags,

I was referring to the fact that once you put all those Lyneham movements in to Brize, then noise complaints will increase. And that is true even if the movement numbers overall aren't that comparable to a moderately busy civvie airfield. Just the fact that movements ramp up to a point that has not been reached before, will be enough to set off the nimbys! I'll put money on it.

[FFP]

lj101,

Quite a while = 1 year, nearly to the day. Not 2 years and not when the majority of CATARA (if that's still a politically correct term to use) was ongoing.

Dom Stamp = Lyneham (Hercs)
Jon Ager = Brize Norton (VC-10....(nimrod too but beside the point....)

RAF Brize Norton - News and Weather

[DADDY-OH!]

Just out of curiosity, when all the KC30's, C130J's, A400M's & C17's arrive at Brize', how many airframes will be based there?

And will there be any Herc C1's, C3's, VC-10's & TriStars still in service by then?

Cheers in advance

DO!

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

When your own Sqn boss tells the audience that a sense of humour is really going to be needed over the coming months you just know the cake and arse have been ordered by the truck load.

[Justanopinion]

RAF Brize Norton - CATARA

[Justanopinion]

And my point was simply - that your original post is full of them and us.

Don't see the them and us in LJ101s post, merely a response showing that Lyneham personnel were put in place to help the transition, nothing to do with blame.

Maybe you are being a little sensitive?

[Truck2005]

I was down at Brize this weekend and there seemed to be more civie aircraft parked there than anything else!!!!!