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Brize move a farce..

Old 31st Jul 2011, 09:59
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Stepping well out of my knowledge zone, can you remove the blades from a turbo prop and run the engine, and would this reduce the noise?
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 12:23
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1AMW will not be moving to Brize in November but delayed until at least April 12 because there is no accommodation available !!!!!

No shocks, perhaps the reality that Brize simply is not big enough is at last becoming apparent now that a significant number of personnel have at last been posted from Lyneham.
With Lyneham now staying open - what are the odds on 1AMW staying at Lyneham and driving to Brize for each task?

After all the old UKMAMS used to be based at Abingdon and drove across to Lyneham or Brize.
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 13:14
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We've already lost op and trg sorties due to local knee-jerk responses to gurning locals. Whilst I can sympathise to a certain extent the stn does seem to be over sensitive to local gurns and moans.
Bloody rude, even for you, old chum....

The station clearly underestimated the noise problem when this bolleaux decision was made in the first place - and it is entirely unreasonable to expect a generally supportive local population to tolerate additional noise resulting from MoD's impecunity.

Incidentally, car parking was one of the first topics I raised when this shotgun wedding was first considered. But 'they' knew better, of course, - "It won't be a problem"....
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 14:39
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Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
Stepping well out of my knowledge zone, can you remove the blades from a turbo prop and run the engine, and would this reduce the noise?

Yes you can actually. But not on the aircraft only on a test bed.

Not a great deal of use for diagnosing "on aircraft" faults.
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 16:28
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When i was at Bzn on the "Whispering Giant" we never got complaints The noisy ones were the "10s"...........Anyway, who remembers the pleasure of listening to an extended ground run of an Argosy
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 18:26
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Whats the problem with parking!!? seems to me it is no worse than it was, i have managed to find somewhere to park within reasonable distance of the sqn or the sim building everytime have come in
I think the hardest thing is going to be getting in to the med centre or dental centre as its always been pretty bad
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 18:33
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"Stepping well out of my knowledge zone, can you remove the blades from a turbo prop and run the engine, and would this reduce the noise? "

Yes, of course you could remove the blades...... But, after putting them back on, and before flight, you would need to carry out another ground run....... etc
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 22:26
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The station clearly underestimated the noise problem when this bolleaux decision was made in the first place - and it is entirely unreasonable to expect a generally supportive local population to tolerate additional noise resulting from MoD's impecunity.

Incidentally, car parking was one of the first topics I raised when this shotgun wedding was first considered. But 'they' knew better, of course, - "It won't be a problem"....
Spot on as always BEagle, noise levels at both stations pre move were pretty well controlled and the locals pretty much happy (you always get one or two who have a pop though) and yes, a lot noticed the airfield was there when buying a house. But I'm not sure folks in Brize or Carterton (who in the main are very supportive of BZN) signed up for a 24hr operation the likes of which they have now or are gonna get in the near future.

The move itself it seems was done to quick, everything should have been in place and ready to go before it started. It's not as though it was unexpected ffs, when was it announced? 2001/2?

As for the Quarters, the ones in Brize should have been knocked down 2 days after they were built not just before the move started! I can honestly say the one I had for 2 years was the worst MQ I'd ever had in 22 years service, even the old beaten up pile of bricks we had in Tidworth was better and thats saying something coming from a squaddy!

Still we are where we are now and somehow I don't think they will be going back to Lyneham. Mind you, would people be really surprised if they did? (now theres a rumor to start... remember, you heard it here first )
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Old 1st Aug 2011, 23:56
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Originally Posted by Farfrompuken
Always a Sapper...

There are, apparently, 2 runways at lyneham, plenty of spare accommodation and some sim buildings that might be of use.....

Potential bolt-hole for the C130 when the locals revolt!

Mind you, they've had years of warning that Brize was going to get busy....

Aye, apparently so. The occasional one does seem to get lost now and then since the move and wander over for a quick look-see.

And I've not been asked to have the fuse's out for the runway lights yet either.

Being pertantic there's actually 3 runways although one's of more use as a car park these days but even so it is a LOT better than Brizes old spare runway!
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Being pertantic
Being pedantic, it's spelt 'pedantic'!

As for the 'third' runway at Lyneham, Rwy 31 would work with a very short taxy from the apron but the overrun on Rwy 13 could get quite obstructed.
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 18:29
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KS

Thunks for th spll chick, nixt thim Ill remumber to chek before postin

and yes, the overrun could get very interesting very quickly.
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Lots of Grumpy Monkeys in the Gateway last night when a tanker blacked the runway for quite some time - good job we have another AT friendly airfield...ah, well done Pike, I wondered when someone would spot that...

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a tanker blacked the runway
It can't have done, their Airships did studies to show that wouldn't happen.
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One of the geniuses who helped decide to close DL has emigrated to Canadialand.

Wise move, methinks.
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Old 3rd Aug 2011, 17:45
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Isn't it time someone suggested we get on our bikes (green, save the planet good for fitness etc) I'll get me coat!
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Isn't it time someone suggested we get on our bikes (green, save the planet good for fitness etc)
To solve what problem - the blacking of the runway? Are you suggesting that people cycle instead of flying? Or now that people's place of work has moved 35 miles north-east that the all cycle there?
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I'll speak if I may as a member of a non REMF and non shiny fleet squadron at BZN and also a resident of Brize Village.

Firstly, some of the comments on here (and Im not naming names) are incredibly immature and have had no real thought put into them except for selfish, childish reasons.
It's quite simple, one of the two bases had to go and Lyneham's runway just isn't big enough to support the heavy aircraft, it doesn't matter how many runways are there, they aren't long enough!

Secondly, noise pollution; the last survey carried out at Brize had 80% of aircraft movements done between 07:00 and 23:00, this figure has now reversed with most aircraft movements taking place in the once quiet hours.
It is currently 01:30, there is a herc running it's engines and has been for almost an hour. Last week a VC-10 carried out max power runs at 23:45 for an hour, is this fair on the local population?
The times and type of noise pollution has changed dramatically in the past 6 months and I can see why local residents are losing sleep.

Do they have reason to complain... Absolutely they do, it's going against human rights!
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it's going against human rights!
Actually, in the thirteen schedules of the Human Rights Act, nowhere does it state that they are entitled to a good nights sleep. Suck it up or move.
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Speaking as a resident of Brize village for the past 20 years I'm reminded of the old saying ' If you don't like the smell of pigs then don't buy a house next to a pig farm'!
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I think you may need to change the location on your profile.
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