Brize move a farce..
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He said: “All the residents appreciate the strategic importance of RAF Brize Norton, but this noise is completely off the Richter scale.
“They have decided to get the planes on the runway and warm up the engines at full, screaming tilt almost every night between 1am and 5am.
“You cannot function as a human being when you are denied sleep every single night. We are being tortured.
“I have spoken to a huge number of residents in the village and some people are almost suicidal about it.”
You have got to smile.......
“They have decided to get the planes on the runway and warm up the engines at full, screaming tilt almost every night between 1am and 5am.
“You cannot function as a human being when you are denied sleep every single night. We are being tortured.
“I have spoken to a huge number of residents in the village and some people are almost suicidal about it.”
You have got to smile.......
Noise at Brize
In June, on this very thread, I wrote that noise would become a real issue once the Hercs arrived. Shortly thereafter BEagle replied that:
I came back with:
I rest my case! 
I'm just off to the bookie to collect my winnings .............
Mr B, mate, there's so little flying in British West Oxfordshire these days, that noise is the least concern....
I was referring to the fact that once you put all those Lyneham movements in to Brize, then noise complaints will increase. And that is true even if the movement numbers overall aren't that comparable to a moderately busy civvie airfield. Just the fact that movements ramp up to a point that has not been reached before, will be enough to set off the nimbys! I'll put money on it.
I'm just off to the bookie to collect my winnings .............
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.... perhaps when the Hercules pilots no longer need to fly around in low level circles trying to remember where the base is it will all settle down??
However, engine runs at 0100-0500 stretch the limit somewhat....
You're quite right, MrB - I'd forgotten the fact that the 'droning skips' can't be put onto a de-tuner! There's still very little local circuit flying, by the way.
A chap well-connected with CATARA / Future Brize did actually tell me that C-130 ground running would prove a problem - winding the old things up and running them for hours on end seems to be a C-130 maintenance requirement...
As it was when I was a UAS Plt Off on Summer Camp at Abingdon (3 items the RAF can no longer afford, incidentally - UAS Plt Offs, Summer Camps and RAF Abingdon) and they did Belslo ground runs which went on for hour after hour - but by day.
The issue seems to revolve around lack of available airframes and those which do still work needing frequent fettling. So the locals are made to suffer because the C-130s are totally $hagged.... Perhaps they should write to their MP....
A chap well-connected with CATARA / Future Brize did actually tell me that C-130 ground running would prove a problem - winding the old things up and running them for hours on end seems to be a C-130 maintenance requirement...
As it was when I was a UAS Plt Off on Summer Camp at Abingdon (3 items the RAF can no longer afford, incidentally - UAS Plt Offs, Summer Camps and RAF Abingdon) and they did Belslo ground runs which went on for hour after hour - but by day.The issue seems to revolve around lack of available airframes and those which do still work needing frequent fettling. So the locals are made to suffer because the C-130s are totally $hagged....
Perhaps they should write to their MP....
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RA, you really are a sorry no personal insults in here: mods. Why have a go at the hard working Sqns at Bzz, just because the locals have complained about the noise. It is this type of 'Banter' that just causes more issues.
I am sure you would rather still be at Lyneham, but even so, why slag off the Bzz guys, most of whom wish you were still at Lyneham as well. Not though, may i add, because they think your job is less worthwhile, but actually because of good reasons, it was worth having 2 bases rather than 1, more room for people and kit, no parking issues, an extra runway etc.
However, budgetary constraints have left us where we are and we have to make the best of it. In house bickering just makes us all look very silly. Everyone is working hard to make the best of it and to service the front line in their own way. Some may be in more 'danger' than others, but I dare say the Army dudes are probably calling the entire RAF REMF's based on that outlook!! We all do what we can, given our platform, for the best of each other; or at least that is the way I view it.
There, I've bitten!!
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I am sure you would rather still be at Lyneham, but even so, why slag off the Bzz guys, most of whom wish you were still at Lyneham as well. Not though, may i add, because they think your job is less worthwhile, but actually because of good reasons, it was worth having 2 bases rather than 1, more room for people and kit, no parking issues, an extra runway etc.
However, budgetary constraints have left us where we are and we have to make the best of it. In house bickering just makes us all look very silly. Everyone is working hard to make the best of it and to service the front line in their own way. Some may be in more 'danger' than others, but I dare say the Army dudes are probably calling the entire RAF REMF's based on that outlook!! We all do what we can, given our platform, for the best of each other; or at least that is the way I view it.
There, I've bitten!!
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3eng,
Bearing in mind that the VC10 is still one of the noisiest feckin things on the planet, I was first posted to BZN in 75 and it was obscenely noisy then, you have to take RA's comments in context.
How come it's only once the Herc arrives that the noise complaints start, it does rather infer it was all peace and quiet with **** all going on up till then.
Bearing in mind that the VC10 is still one of the noisiest feckin things on the planet, I was first posted to BZN in 75 and it was obscenely noisy then, you have to take RA's comments in context.
How come it's only once the Herc arrives that the noise complaints start, it does rather infer it was all peace and quiet with **** all going on up till then.
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Oh dear. Was it the REMF shiney fleet comment that upset you? I didn't realise that you shiney fleet airline types were like that. Are you on twenty one six squadron by any chance.
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We used to stay at a caravan site on the edge of Mildenhall for the airshow each year. Prolonged Herc ground runs are a hateful, unpleasant, soul destroying experience if you're trying to get some sleep. They just drone on and on and on and on and on and on and on with a semi-random edge to them that means you can't tune them out.
VC10s are noisy but scream off and away and that's it.
Also, as I recall Lyneham is pretty much surrounded by earth banking, base housing, trees etc. Brize is a much more open vista so the noise is going to travel a lot more easily.
Needless to say only an amoeba could not have foreseen this problem, but then amoebas seem to have been put in charge of the whole Brize move.
VC10s are noisy but scream off and away and that's it.
Also, as I recall Lyneham is pretty much surrounded by earth banking, base housing, trees etc. Brize is a much more open vista so the noise is going to travel a lot more easily.
Needless to say only an amoeba could not have foreseen this problem, but then amoebas seem to have been put in charge of the whole Brize move.
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SFFP,
If you read my post correctly, you will see that I make no point about the C130's noise pollution compared to that of the previous Bzz types. I agree that the VC10 and probably TriStar for that matter is equally, if not more so, noisy than the Herc, it was more a point that the 'them and us' attitude is doing nobody any favours, and, yes RA, the REMF comments do not help anyone.
RA, as to my Sqn, why would that concern you, I don't want to know yours! More to the point is that, you may think that you work harder than everyone else and that you are the most courageous aviator on this planet, but without the REMF fleet you wouldn't have a job to do. That hub and spoke doesn't work without us REMF's you know, charter boys included.
Anyway, sorry to the mods and RA for the personal attack, no harm intended, just sick of this whole, we hate Brize and want to be and Lyneham tosh. In an ideal world we would still have a whole lot of stations we have had to shut down but unfortunately we are broke. RA, maybe discuss over a beer in the, admittedly pretty rubbish, Bzz OM on an upcoming DIN!!
If you read my post correctly, you will see that I make no point about the C130's noise pollution compared to that of the previous Bzz types. I agree that the VC10 and probably TriStar for that matter is equally, if not more so, noisy than the Herc, it was more a point that the 'them and us' attitude is doing nobody any favours, and, yes RA, the REMF comments do not help anyone.
RA, as to my Sqn, why would that concern you, I don't want to know yours! More to the point is that, you may think that you work harder than everyone else and that you are the most courageous aviator on this planet, but without the REMF fleet you wouldn't have a job to do. That hub and spoke doesn't work without us REMF's you know, charter boys included.
Anyway, sorry to the mods and RA for the personal attack, no harm intended, just sick of this whole, we hate Brize and want to be and Lyneham tosh. In an ideal world we would still have a whole lot of stations we have had to shut down but unfortunately we are broke. RA, maybe discuss over a beer in the, admittedly pretty rubbish, Bzz OM on an upcoming DIN!!
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Ahhhh come on, you got your bite RA........now you're just being harsh. The padre will be involved if this carries on. 
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So I take it from your earlier post that you buy into the concept that this move saves money.
Personally, I believe if we wanted to save money in the short term we should have postponed the move and suspended work on Brize.
Furthermore, throughout CATARA there has been a serious question mark over how long the savings in recurring costs would take to repay the up-front investment in Brize (if ever).......
Personally, I believe if we wanted to save money in the short term we should have postponed the move and suspended work on Brize.
Furthermore, throughout CATARA there has been a serious question mark over how long the savings in recurring costs would take to repay the up-front investment in Brize (if ever).......
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It was never going to happen, once the decision had been made that was it, far too many political reputations at stake you see.
Will it turn out to be the best idea since sliced bread? Who knows, personally I doubt it, well not for about 10 maybe 15 years anyway and even then only because the current Lyne/Brize folks will have moved through the system and memories begin to fade. But what do I know, being an ex Squaddie.
Thing is, if they really wanted save money why didn’t they just shut both Brize And Lyneham and move the whole shooting match to Fairford?
Thinking on it though, the way things are going with all the cuts etc at the moment it won't be long before we will be able to get the whole tri-service thing into Keevil, having first dug a pond for the navy's remaining bosun dinghy to bob about in of course....
Sad really, not what we joined up for or what so many of our friends made sacrifices for either
It'll end in tears one day, be like 1938/9 all over again.
It was never going to happen, once the decision had been made that was it, far too many political reputations at stake you see.
Will it turn out to be the best idea since sliced bread? Who knows, personally I doubt it, well not for about 10 maybe 15 years anyway and even then only because the current Lyne/Brize folks will have moved through the system and memories begin to fade. But what do I know, being an ex Squaddie.
Thing is, if they really wanted save money why didn’t they just shut both Brize And Lyneham and move the whole shooting match to Fairford?
Thinking on it though, the way things are going with all the cuts etc at the moment it won't be long before we will be able to get the whole tri-service thing into Keevil, having first dug a pond for the navy's remaining bosun dinghy to bob about in of course....
Sad really, not what we joined up for or what so many of our friends made sacrifices for either
It'll end in tears one day, be like 1938/9 all over again.
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Noisy Engine Running
Beagle, I can assure you we did Belfast engine runs at Abingdon in the early hours which annoyed the residents of Boars Hill, but I remember it as always cold and snowing so you may have missed those. It got to the point where the station PBX put all incoming calls directly through to the aircraft. After all the only calls at that time of night were going to be complaints, and yes there was a telephone on board connected to a point on the pan.
Things lightened up one night when we answerd a call from a sweet old lady who was most concerned at how late we were working and were we warm enough and had enough to eat.
Problem with checks on turboprops is you can't detune the props.
Things lightened up one night when we answerd a call from a sweet old lady who was most concerned at how late we were working and were we warm enough and had enough to eat.
Problem with checks on turboprops is you can't detune the props.
