Stealth UH60(?) used in OBL raid...
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...he-first-time/
Exclusive: Legendary special operations aviator reveals bin Laden mission details for the first time
Exclusive: Legendary special operations aviator reveals bin Laden mission details for the first time
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...he-first-time/
Exclusive: Legendary special operations aviator reveals bin Laden mission details for the first time
Exclusive: Legendary special operations aviator reveals bin Laden mission details for the first time
Twice between 2013 and 2016, Englen was in hot pursuit of Iran’s Quds Force leader, Gen. Qassem Soleimani. But their order was “capture only.”
"It wasn’t ‘capture or kill,’ so if we couldn’t guarantee a capture, then we couldn’t take it to the next level,” Englen said. “But we were minutes behind him and his vehicles in Iraq, and we could’ve gotten him. But our rules of engagement was, 'capture only.’”
"It wasn’t ‘capture or kill,’ so if we couldn’t guarantee a capture, then we couldn’t take it to the next level,” Englen said. “But we were minutes behind him and his vehicles in Iraq, and we could’ve gotten him. But our rules of engagement was, 'capture only.’”
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Over 20 years since the last flight of the SR-71 and no sight of the TR-3 or the Aurora or whatever made the soap-on-a-rope contrails far above the airways off the West coast...
Salute!
A great point, frequent poster. Been 9 years since the UBL raid, so guess there's been no effort to develop and field new, improved systems for covert and not so covert missions. We don't even know the exact configuration of the choppers used back then.
I wonder why the Guardian or Sun or NYT or WaPo doesn't have accurate scale diagrams of every bend and curve and angle on the platforms that the U.S. or any other country wishes to remain "secret". /sarc
And then the DuPont company or 3M could have their patent for their new, improved RAM coatings that have been developed and fielded since the late 70's and early 80's when one country seemed to have made a quantum leap in LO technology. Huh? Oooops, shouldn't have mentioned "quantum"....... Now waiting for the visit from men in black, sheesh....
Gums sends...
Over 20 years since the last flight of the SR-71 and no sight of the TR-3 or the Aurora or whatever made the soap-on-a-rope contrails far above the airways off the West coast...
I wonder why the Guardian or Sun or NYT or WaPo doesn't have accurate scale diagrams of every bend and curve and angle on the platforms that the U.S. or any other country wishes to remain "secret". /sarc
And then the DuPont company or 3M could have their patent for their new, improved RAM coatings that have been developed and fielded since the late 70's and early 80's when one country seemed to have made a quantum leap in LO technology. Huh? Oooops, shouldn't have mentioned "quantum"....... Now waiting for the visit from men in black, sheesh....
Gums sends...
I could tell you, but then I'd have to use a horrible old cliche from a movie about shirtless male beach volleyball that had some airplanes in it.
What I learned over many years is that the Gummint is very good at keeping certain things secret. Also, given the rather large piles of cash that have gone into such things, compared to the visible results we have seen, either something else was produced that we don't know about or somebody's got some splainin to do about where the **** that money went.
What I learned over many years is that the Gummint is very good at keeping certain things secret. Also, given the rather large piles of cash that have gone into such things, compared to the visible results we have seen, either something else was produced that we don't know about or somebody's got some splainin to do about where the **** that money went.
Salute!
Enjoying the banter, today. But let's not forget the meaning of the holiday, huh?
'Follow the money". Yep, that's how the Aurora thread got started, wasn't it?
The best bet to see where a neat project was in progress was to follow the construction $$$ at Tonopah in early 80's. Maybe not easy to find in the annual budget, but all those trucks and semi-tractors loaded with stuff had to be a clue if you had a trailer park closeby, huh? Groom Lake was well known by all of us by then, but we didn't know exactly what the platforms were flying there (except for the saucers), and only knew a few of the pilots. We also knew many of the Constant Peg folks and some of us actually flew against them to "learn" some things. The heavy traffic was at Tonopah for both Constant Peg as well as the F-117 outfit. Some folks thot Michael AAF at Dugway couild have been a player, but not me. I was flying in that area then and can tellya that the strip was bare bones and nothing was going on. Not so with Tonopah.
I still haven't figured out how you can make a helo "stealthy". Guess the wizards have been very successful last 30 years since I was close to the business.
Gums sends...
Enjoying the banter, today. But let's not forget the meaning of the holiday, huh?
'Follow the money". Yep, that's how the Aurora thread got started, wasn't it?
The best bet to see where a neat project was in progress was to follow the construction $$$ at Tonopah in early 80's. Maybe not easy to find in the annual budget, but all those trucks and semi-tractors loaded with stuff had to be a clue if you had a trailer park closeby, huh? Groom Lake was well known by all of us by then, but we didn't know exactly what the platforms were flying there (except for the saucers), and only knew a few of the pilots. We also knew many of the Constant Peg folks and some of us actually flew against them to "learn" some things. The heavy traffic was at Tonopah for both Constant Peg as well as the F-117 outfit. Some folks thot Michael AAF at Dugway couild have been a player, but not me. I was flying in that area then and can tellya that the strip was bare bones and nothing was going on. Not so with Tonopah.
I still haven't figured out how you can make a helo "stealthy". Guess the wizards have been very successful last 30 years since I was close to the business.
Gums sends...
I could tell you, but then I'd have to use a horrible old cliche from a movie about shirtless male beach volleyball that had some airplanes in it.
What I learned over many years is that the Gummint is very good at keeping certain things secret. Also, given the rather large piles of cash that have gone into such things, compared to the visible results we have seen, either something else was produced that we don't know about or somebody's got some splainin to do about where the **** that money went.
What I learned over many years is that the Gummint is very good at keeping certain things secret. Also, given the rather large piles of cash that have gone into such things, compared to the visible results we have seen, either something else was produced that we don't know about or somebody's got some splainin to do about where the **** that money went.
One fact remains.
That tail-rotor, stabilator and the colour of them wasn't like anything in the current inventory at all.
The tail rotor boss was clearly aimed at reducing radar reflectivity - anyone seen anything like that on a helicopter before?
And the photo wasn't a fake.
As Gums points out - many, many people knew something was going on at Tonapah quite early in the piece.
But images of the F-117 didn't make it into the media for a long time.
And today - we all know there's something called the B-21 being built - the iron bird's been finished for a while.
But can anyone yet show me a real photo of it yet?
I have no doubt that there is some kind of LO Blackhawk or something similar - albeit in very small numbers...
I always found this to be the most likely preview of things to come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSGLBb3k80U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSGLBb3k80U
cheers
Salute!
Don't think so, Fonz....
If you can see it and get a photo, then it must be intentional subterfuge, and we have to keep folks looking for ghosts. Huh?
Gums sends...
Don't think so, Fonz....
If you can see it and get a photo, then it must be intentional subterfuge, and we have to keep folks looking for ghosts. Huh?
Gums sends...
https://www.airforce-technology.com/...-71-spy-plane/
https://www.businessinsider.com/sr-7...18-1?r=US&IR=T
Then retracted the idea..
https://www.flightglobal.com/singapo...127007.article
Last edited by chopper2004; 26th May 2020 at 11:23.