BA Managed path
Champagne anyone...?
Think I need to speak someone at BA on this one... Does rather disadvantage those of us on PAS but I guess it's their trainset 
I know the 744 fleet need X number of pilots by the end of the year and that they are struggling to find TR'd folk - Managed Path isn't going to supply lots of people straight away so hopefully BA recruiting will open their doors a little wider....
I know the 744 fleet need X number of pilots by the end of the year and that they are struggling to find TR'd folk - Managed Path isn't going to supply lots of people straight away so hopefully BA recruiting will open their doors a little wider....
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Does anybody know if the 12 year option point counts as a recognised leaving point and makes you eligible for managed path, or is it an early termination point?
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Guys if I may comment as someone outside looking in who was inside looking out.
This is a fantastically rare scheme that really does only come up once in a blue moon.
BA are desperate for bodies right now.Dont accept that the door is shut for you due to the wording of the scheme.
Bug your deskie, go above his head, personally ring someone in BA HR or management and get answers from the horses mouth.
There will be so few of you eligible that BA will easily have the resources to hand sift your application and progress it.
Civvy world in many ways is not as rigid in its procedures as the Mil and if a dozen or so slightly iffy apps find their way to the right person in BA and you can start work 3 weeks on Tuesday you'll all be a shoe in.
Think about it.There may not be another of these opportunities for non qualified DEP for another 15 years.
Dont let the REMF's grind you down on this
PRESS!!
This is a fantastically rare scheme that really does only come up once in a blue moon.
BA are desperate for bodies right now.Dont accept that the door is shut for you due to the wording of the scheme.
Bug your deskie, go above his head, personally ring someone in BA HR or management and get answers from the horses mouth.
There will be so few of you eligible that BA will easily have the resources to hand sift your application and progress it.
Civvy world in many ways is not as rigid in its procedures as the Mil and if a dozen or so slightly iffy apps find their way to the right person in BA and you can start work 3 weeks on Tuesday you'll all be a shoe in.
Think about it.There may not be another of these opportunities for non qualified DEP for another 15 years.
Dont let the REMF's grind you down on this
PRESS!!
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C.A. Great point you just made. I was successful at the last BA recruitment drive but as we all know the pool was drained and no jobs were created. I cannot see BA turning down good candidates that are ready and willing to start. The only thing being that they did not exit on the RAF's (restrictive) terms. Manning need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Now how to go about getting your application in? Any ideas anyone? If you use the managed path route through the BA site, it might well kick you out as you have to agree that you are eligible.
Now how to go about getting your application in? Any ideas anyone? If you use the managed path route through the BA site, it might well kick you out as you have to agree that you are eligible.
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C.A, I believe that deskies have been bugged and arguments been had with manning. They are not budging, but BA are only recruiting TR DEPs AT THE MOMENT. I would be very surprised if, due to their requirement to find 200 pilots/year, the TR requirement was not lifted in the next few months. This would open up the door for PVRs. 
JP and Redcarpet.
Sounds a bit of a "soundbite" policy by the MOD then if the entry criteria is so narrow.
BA seems to have had one round of recruitment for TR'ed people and didn't get enough quality applicants.They'll probably have to go round that buoy again and that will probably mean they'll have to look at managed path again.
I suspect if enough people press their noses to the window and make enough noise BA will see sense and widen the entry criteria.
If you've not passed with BA its a minimum of one year before reapplying.
So guys in this current recruitment phase who failed cant reapply till the new year at least.
This gives BA and MOD about 8-12 months to come up with another cunning plan!
Best of luck to all.
Sounds a bit of a "soundbite" policy by the MOD then if the entry criteria is so narrow.
BA seems to have had one round of recruitment for TR'ed people and didn't get enough quality applicants.They'll probably have to go round that buoy again and that will probably mean they'll have to look at managed path again.
I suspect if enough people press their noses to the window and make enough noise BA will see sense and widen the entry criteria.
If you've not passed with BA its a minimum of one year before reapplying.
So guys in this current recruitment phase who failed cant reapply till the new year at least.
This gives BA and MOD about 8-12 months to come up with another cunning plan!
Best of luck to all.
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Catch 22
Well here's the rub ...
If you applied and got through to the managed path to the hold pool you HAD to leave the service to be eligible for any offer.
If no offer came and say the Hold Pool was disbanded due to the economic climate then you are ineligible for the current campaign as you are no longer serving.
BUT if you signed on to PAS, anticipating the worst, you would need to PVR to get out and also be ineligible for the current scheme
If you applied and got through to the managed path to the hold pool you HAD to leave the service to be eligible for any offer.
If no offer came and say the Hold Pool was disbanded due to the economic climate then you are ineligible for the current campaign as you are no longer serving.
BUT if you signed on to PAS, anticipating the worst, you would need to PVR to get out and also be ineligible for the current scheme
Champagne anyone...?
I thought the idea of Managed Path was that it was aimed at those who were leaving at their 16/38 point. You were leaving the RAF anyway (eg. no PAS offer) so MP either got you a job (happy days) or it didn't (ho hum). Either way you had to leave the RAF as they no longer had a job for you there.... There is no Catch 22 about it - if you're staying in you take the PAS offer. If you're leaving you take MP and hope that a) oil doesn't rocket $200 a barrel or b) the BA cabin crew don't bring the company down in the meantime.... 
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Offer
Sorry to correct
There was an offer from manning of PA as my trade was and still is in shortfall of experienced instructors.
I contacted them to see of there was a way of remaining in services and helping fill a manning void whilst the economic circumstances improved.
The answer was no you can only stay until 55 or nothing else, no matter what the benefit to the service
So the catch 22 is there:stay and help the service out but you but have to render yourself ineligible for a scheme that you have successfully pased.
There was an offer from manning of PA as my trade was and still is in shortfall of experienced instructors.
I contacted them to see of there was a way of remaining in services and helping fill a manning void whilst the economic circumstances improved.
The answer was no you can only stay until 55 or nothing else, no matter what the benefit to the service
So the catch 22 is there:stay and help the service out but you but have to render yourself ineligible for a scheme that you have successfully pased.
Champagne anyone...?
Manning are never going to offer an extension of service at the 16/38 point. They'd rather you took PAS which is win-win for them - they keep an instructor whilst at the same time making it harder for you to get out.
The way the RAF see it is they offered you PAS, you said "no thanks, I'm off ha ha!", economic climate changes, hold-pool closes down, you see empty bank account looming so duck back into the RAF to accept the PAS offer at the final bell. The terms of PAS are crystal clear - serve to 55 or PVR to get out. There is no Catch 22. The RAF can't just sign pilots on for random lengths of time just to tide said pilot over until the airlines pick up - that's of no use to them at all. That you already passed selection into BA is equally irrelevant. If after 12 months in the pool you have no course date, you have to redo selection, regardless of where you've been or who you are.
I took PAS because I thought I'd happily serve until 55+ in a job I enjoyed. Things change, job suddenly becomes dire, rubber dickings get handed out, other options get investigated. I now have to PVR to get out, as per my terms of service - I have no issue with that. Ultimately Manning are going to do everything they can to protect their "investments". If they want to keep fabulously experienced, wise and able PAS instructors like me then they are going to do whatever they can to stop me going (NB. "stop me going" as opposed to "keep me in" - a subtle yet traditionally RAF-esque difference). They aren't going to sanction an airline selection procedure that makes it easy to swerve my "contractual commitment" to age 55 - and who can blame them?
The way the RAF see it is they offered you PAS, you said "no thanks, I'm off ha ha!", economic climate changes, hold-pool closes down, you see empty bank account looming so duck back into the RAF to accept the PAS offer at the final bell. The terms of PAS are crystal clear - serve to 55 or PVR to get out. There is no Catch 22. The RAF can't just sign pilots on for random lengths of time just to tide said pilot over until the airlines pick up - that's of no use to them at all. That you already passed selection into BA is equally irrelevant. If after 12 months in the pool you have no course date, you have to redo selection, regardless of where you've been or who you are.
I took PAS because I thought I'd happily serve until 55+ in a job I enjoyed. Things change, job suddenly becomes dire, rubber dickings get handed out, other options get investigated. I now have to PVR to get out, as per my terms of service - I have no issue with that. Ultimately Manning are going to do everything they can to protect their "investments". If they want to keep fabulously experienced, wise and able PAS instructors like me then they are going to do whatever they can to stop me going (NB. "stop me going" as opposed to "keep me in" - a subtle yet traditionally RAF-esque difference). They aren't going to sanction an airline selection procedure that makes it easy to swerve my "contractual commitment" to age 55 - and who can blame them?