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Quarter of RAF trainee pilots to be sacked

Old 13th Feb 2011, 21:35
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Quarter of RAF trainee pilots to be sacked

Quarter of RAF trainee pilots to be sacked in defence spending cull - Telegraph
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 21:48
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No mention of the 40 odd WSO students that have already been f****d over by the air force.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 21:53
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...and waiting for the training squadrons, training pilots and maintenance crews to be reduced next.

Then comes the OEMs and Manufacturers, their contracts and company reductions too...

All the best for the near future
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 22:05
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How can the leaking of this information be justified before our personnel have been informed. This is disgraceful, whether correct or not.

Whoever leaked it should be punished blah blah blah....... never going to happen is it? What a way to treat people.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 22:09
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Sad and wrong as this is, if there are not going to be enough aircraft for them to fly, they have to go.

Even one more training sortie for someone who isn't going to become operational is a waste.

These are the hard facts that are going to hit some of the brightest and finest young men and women the UK has produced early next week.

Pity them, and pity the poor Air Staff who have to make these decisions; what a situation to have to try and manage!

I have my fingers crossed for them all, especially my son, who is so close behind them.

Stupid, stupid Politicians.
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Investing in People....?

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Whilst individuals may not know whether they specifically are to be chopped, I don't think it's fair to say it was leaked before anyone knows: all the trainees had briefings last week to the best of my knowledge.

Heartbreaking as it is, continuing to train a large number of aircrew who have no seats to go to doesn't work out. Given that 5000 have to go, would you rather it were those already qualified, productive and who've had (potentially) even more invested in them?

I don't think anyone's contract is finalised until completion of phase 2 training, though what the implications are of moving the goal posts part way through the training cycle I haven't a clue.

None of this was ever going to be terribly pleasant.
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I think the officer to whom 'Newt' refers is the AOC 22 (Training) Group and hence responsible for all RAF training.

Although I don't know him, I doubt that he will take any satisfaction with the situation being forced on the RAF and other services and I further doubt that the rest of the hierachy are jumping with joy either.

May I suggest a little less air officer bashing - unless evidence justifies same!

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Old 14th Feb 2011, 06:54
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ATD,

Investors in People, that's so out of date ...


From the IiP page on the intranet.,

"In June 2010, 2nd PUS wrote out to TLBs explaining that due to financial and resource constraints all IiP activity should cease. This means that after February 2011, MOD will no longer be IiP accredited and the IiP logo should not be used on anything connected with MOD. "
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Old 14th Feb 2011, 07:16
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Bad times.

Often lurk, don't often post but feel the need to this time. For any aircrew that do get the bad news, I wish you the very best of luck in forging a new career outside of the RAF. These are grim times for us all, but maybe more so for the people who have trained hard for years and the finishing line is so close, but yet is being snatched away. I know that we haven't the aircraft blah blah but it doesn't make it any easier for them. Best wishes.
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Old 14th Feb 2011, 07:27
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St Valentine's day massacre

My sympathies to all those who, through absolutely no fault or failure on their part, have found themselves in this appalling situation.

The RAF has been reduced to its current state through years of government incompetence; Bliar's wars and desperation to cling to Dubya's coat tails were inadequately funded and the situation worsened under Incapability Brown. Billions have been wasted through incompetent procurement decisions; the present government has to balance the books as best it can, but the enormity of SDSR and the crass decisions of recent months concerning Harrier, Nimrod and manning cuts are probably the last few straws for the backs of many camels.

Good luck to all those who will be disappointed today by this truly awful St. Valentine's Day Massacre; I hope that there will be some government funded scheme to ease your transition into another career.
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Old 14th Feb 2011, 07:43
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Right.......so, Airborne Aircrew, if the AOC sits down with each man for say, 15 mins, that will take him 100 hours, or over a fortnight to repeat the SAME thing to everyone. The whole point is that this is not a case of individuals being chosen. In exactly the same way as the Harrier fleet or the Nimrod fleet are being shafted, so are those in training.

As has already been pointed out, this is the RAF responding to the inevitable consequence of losing cockpits. How can the Service keep the same inflow when the flying opportunities simply aren't there?

I've met AOC 22 Gp and I can guarantee that he won't be happy about what's happening either. But unless you've got a spare 10Bn or so to donate, AA, then what alternative is there?

Old Duffer has it right - there are too many on this website who happily (and unjustifiably) slag off individuals by name while hiding behind anonymity.
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Old 14th Feb 2011, 07:46
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Sad news, but everyone is suffering.
This government is doing too much, too soon to sort out the Country's issues.
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Before we let this thread descend into the same old petty personal arguments and snappy b!tching, I'd just like to offer my condolences to the young guys and girls who are receiving bad news today.
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I'll look forward to seeing a reduction to 22 Gp senior staffing to reflect the massive reduction in training....................
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Best of luck to those who do get the bad news today. I know it will be a life's dream taken away, but its not the end.

What a pity that these guys / girls have to pay for other peoples incompetence.

Dont envy the AOC either IF its true he has a child in the system: Young Green gets the chop = very difficult Snuday lunch. Young Green does not get the chop = wild calls of nepotisim / jobs for the boys etc

What a Goat.
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Old 14th Feb 2011, 08:22
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With regards to Capt Pugwash and IiP, why is the logo and accreditation spiel being used on AVM Green's 22Gp webpage?

Royal Air Force No 22 (Training) Group - Homepage

Who is in charge of these things?
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Old 14th Feb 2011, 08:33
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after February 2011, MOD will no longer be IiP accredited and the IiP logo should not be used on anything connected with MOD
*checks calendar*

Still February 2011 here.
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Old 14th Feb 2011, 08:35
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Whilst individuals may not know whether they specifically are to be chopped, I don't think it's fair to say it was leaked before anyone knows: all the trainees had briefings last week to the best of my knowledge.
Nah mate - we all knew something was coming but this is the first of any details we've heard. We had no briefings last week, they were postponed until this week at the earliest.
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Old 14th Feb 2011, 08:35
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All of us who pursued this dream will understand the heartbreak this will cause.

I read in the media that these trainees are to be ditched forthwith. Whilst I understand and grudgingly accept the rational for the cuts, when I read that students a mere few hours from getting their wings are to have their training terminated I was stunned. Is that true? Surely the least compensation they should be offered is the chance of completing their courses? No doubt some clever-dick will know the administrative expedient which makes that impractical, not that I'm interested in hearing it.
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