Nimrod MRA4 Being Broken Up
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Nice idea
But the politicos won't let that happen. They wouldn't want the evidence left around of a cr*p decision.
They'll wait a bit longer and then say it was too late to do anything
But the politicos won't let that happen. They wouldn't want the evidence left around of a cr*p decision.
They'll wait a bit longer and then say it was too late to do anything
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Ex Nimrod Groundcrew of over 20 years experience on type also available if required, no longer required by RAF apparently so employment terminated. Also undertaken MR4 courses but never used on type.
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As a magazine Private Eye can be relied upon to expose hypocracy within so called squeeky clean organisations or individuals. The RAF would seem to be no different. From the Feb 17th edition, below a cartoon of a son telling his father that his broken model of a Nimrod is actually finished, is the following article:
REVOLVING DOORS: The £200m compensation paid to BAE Systems for scrapping the Nimrod MRA4 programme should cover the salary of its latest Ministry of Defence recruit for a few years. Air Chief Marshall Sir Glen Torpy, who has been made "senior advisor" to BAE, was in charge of the Air Force from April 2006(shortly before the latest "unaffordable" Nimrod contract was signed), until July 2009. His parting shot, in June 2009, was to endorse the controversial Eurofighter Typhoon, which came through the recent Strategic Defence Review at the expense of the Harrier.
"There is no other aircraft better than the Typhoon except for a US F22 Raptor, and an F22 is significantly more expensive" he drooled. "Typhoon is truly multi-role - it is a world-class aeroplane. It is absolute rubbish to call it a Cold War relic and that just demonstrates that people do not understand what the aircraft does."
The holder of the multi-billion-pound contract to make the Typhoon? BAE Systems.
REVOLVING DOORS: The £200m compensation paid to BAE Systems for scrapping the Nimrod MRA4 programme should cover the salary of its latest Ministry of Defence recruit for a few years. Air Chief Marshall Sir Glen Torpy, who has been made "senior advisor" to BAE, was in charge of the Air Force from April 2006(shortly before the latest "unaffordable" Nimrod contract was signed), until July 2009. His parting shot, in June 2009, was to endorse the controversial Eurofighter Typhoon, which came through the recent Strategic Defence Review at the expense of the Harrier.
"There is no other aircraft better than the Typhoon except for a US F22 Raptor, and an F22 is significantly more expensive" he drooled. "Typhoon is truly multi-role - it is a world-class aeroplane. It is absolute rubbish to call it a Cold War relic and that just demonstrates that people do not understand what the aircraft does."
The holder of the multi-billion-pound contract to make the Typhoon? BAE Systems.
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REVOLVING DOORS: The £200m compensation paid to BAE Systems for scrapping the Nimrod MRA4 programme should cover the salary of its latest Ministry of Defence recruit for a few years. Air Chief Marshall Sir Glen Torpy, who has been made "senior advisor" to BAE, was in charge of the Air Force from April 2006(shortly before the latest "unaffordable" Nimrod contract was signed), until July 2009. His parting shot, in June 2009, was to endorse the controversial Eurofighter Typhoon, which came through the recent Strategic Defence Review at the expense of the Harrier.
"There is no other aircraft better than the Typhoon except for a US F22 Raptor, and an F22 is significantly more expensive" he drooled. "Typhoon is truly multi-role - it is a world-class aeroplane. It is absolute rubbish to call it a Cold War relic and that just demonstrates that people do not understand what the aircraft does."
The holder of the multi-billion-pound contract to make the Typhoon? BAE Systems.
REVOLVING DOORS: The £200m compensation paid to BAE Systems for scrapping the Nimrod MRA4 programme should cover the salary of its latest Ministry of Defence recruit for a few years. Air Chief Marshall Sir Glen Torpy, who has been made "senior advisor" to BAE, was in charge of the Air Force from April 2006(shortly before the latest "unaffordable" Nimrod contract was signed), until July 2009. His parting shot, in June 2009, was to endorse the controversial Eurofighter Typhoon, which came through the recent Strategic Defence Review at the expense of the Harrier.
"There is no other aircraft better than the Typhoon except for a US F22 Raptor, and an F22 is significantly more expensive" he drooled. "Typhoon is truly multi-role - it is a world-class aeroplane. It is absolute rubbish to call it a Cold War relic and that just demonstrates that people do not understand what the aircraft does."
The holder of the multi-billion-pound contract to make the Typhoon? BAE Systems.
Is that another one of "Squarebasher"s informed pieces about air matters?
I have long suspected he is in fact:
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There's also a rumour going round that Vulcan XM603 is going to be scrapped when the Nimrods are done, BAE is expected to vacate Woodford by September this year.
AVIATION NORTH-WEST - WOODFORD AERODROME - VULCAN XM603
AVIATION NORTH-WEST - WOODFORD AERODROME - VULCAN XM603
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603 vulcan
Well i have some information on this and all i can say is yes sadly she
is gonna be scrapped by another company and hopefully the bits are going to be put to good use on another airframe and no not 558 . Like i said thats all i can say at this very early stage. And yes bae do want shot of her very sadly . A meeting date is being set up asap to disscuss it
If i get anymore informtion then i will tell more.
is gonna be scrapped by another company and hopefully the bits are going to be put to good use on another airframe and no not 558 . Like i said thats all i can say at this very early stage. And yes bae do want shot of her very sadly . A meeting date is being set up asap to disscuss it
If i get anymore informtion then i will tell more.
PA4 also now gone
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And an effing big hole in the Nation's defences, credibilty, prestige and a whole lot of the UK's best sort of world class people with job seeker's allowance (if they're qualify!!)
Shame on this poor excuse for a patriotic government that knows how to prioritise (NOT)!!
Shame on this poor excuse for a patriotic government that knows how to prioritise (NOT)!!
I see that the Torygraph reported today that Iranian warships were due to pass through the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean....Iran warships 'sailing into Mediterranean' - Telegraph
No doubt they'd tell us if they planned to sail anywhere near Cyprus or Gibraltar.
No long range maritime patrol to keep an eye on them any more. Well done, Cameron - those whining, sandaholic pongos and their 'boots on the ground' $hite really led you up the garden path.
No doubt they'd tell us if they planned to sail anywhere near Cyprus or Gibraltar.
No long range maritime patrol to keep an eye on them any more. Well done, Cameron - those whining, sandaholic pongos and their 'boots on the ground' $hite really led you up the garden path.
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Well done, Cameron - those whining, sandaholic pongos and their 'boots on the ground' $hite really led you up the garden path.
Surely loss of the Nimrod is down to Air elements of the MOD, whether RAF or those in Abbey Wood, together with BAES. Between them, for over a decade, they couldn't get their $hit together. That would be a sad enough state of affairs, but to have squandered $4bn in the process is downright criminal. If not intentional, then criminally negligent.
How extraordinary to blame the loss of an RAF capability that has been royally screwed up by those involved on the Army. Been drinking?
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Oh the irony! If you are laying the blame for the loss of MPA at the door of the Army, you are whining up the wrong tree.
Surely loss of the Nimrod is down to Air elements of the MOD, whether RAF or those in Abbey Wood, together with BAES. Between them, for over a decade, they couldn't get their $hit together. That would be a sad enough state of affairs, but to have squandered $4bn in the process is downright criminal. If not intentional, then criminally negligent.
How extraordinary to blame the loss of an RAF capability that has been royally screwed up by those involved on the Army. Been drinking?
Surely loss of the Nimrod is down to Air elements of the MOD, whether RAF or those in Abbey Wood, together with BAES. Between them, for over a decade, they couldn't get their $hit together. That would be a sad enough state of affairs, but to have squandered $4bn in the process is downright criminal. If not intentional, then criminally negligent.
How extraordinary to blame the loss of an RAF capability that has been royally screwed up by those involved on the Army. Been drinking?
Its fate would only have been saved if the high brass from the Army and Navy had fought for it. CAS didn't care about the loss of the capability because it doesn't effect him at all!
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Ergo loss of the Nimrod was at the hands of the RAF!
Surely the RN were the biggest customer of Nimrod. Up to them to fight for MPA. I would understand chagrin towards the Army if say the SH fleet was decimated, but it wasn't.
At the end of the day, the biggest criminal is Gordon Brown and his decade of financial and political stupidity. Cameron is merely picking up the pieces, which are all covered in $hit.
Surely the RN were the biggest customer of Nimrod. Up to them to fight for MPA. I would understand chagrin towards the Army if say the SH fleet was decimated, but it wasn't.
At the end of the day, the biggest criminal is Gordon Brown and his decade of financial and political stupidity. Cameron is merely picking up the pieces, which are all covered in $hit.
Sorry Roadster, but the biggest criminal(s) are those who have allowed through requirement creep and continual changes to the operational requirement that have ultimately caused the endless delays and increased costs.
If all those involved had finished the job on time, it would have been in service before Gordon Brown ad any authority (well, almost).
I am no fan of GB and think he can be blamed for a huge number of problems, but Nimrod blame lies squarely in another camp.
If all those involved had finished the job on time, it would have been in service before Gordon Brown ad any authority (well, almost).
I am no fan of GB and think he can be blamed for a huge number of problems, but Nimrod blame lies squarely in another camp.
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My main bone of contention is the assertion that the Nimrod is dead because of the Army. Bull$hit. Look closer to home, and if blame must be spread, look at DPA, the Treasury and the RN before the Army.
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A description of PA04's final moments from a guy I have known and respected, as a man and boy in maritime, for more years than I care to remember..
"We assembled to carry out the deed before dawn so that no prying eyes could see what was about to happen and to clear the apron for other company aircraft activities.
The hangar doors were open and the sky was lightening in the east.
The growl of the tug's engine and the tell-tale slight bounce of the towing arm showed that ZJ514 - formerly XV251 in it's MR1 and MR2 guise was starting its final journey.
Last in the air on 9th September 2010, it was now a mere hulk. Its engines and any useful recoverable equipped had been stripped out.
Although bereft of of its radome, MAD boom, SATCOM canoe and wing tip 'rugby balls', there was still enough of it left to be recognisable as an MRA4 Nimrod.
There must have been something of the Nimrod left in it though because as it moved from being pulled to pushed by the tug on its final journey, from somewhere deep within its DNA it managed to chuck a few gallons of fuel onto the pan.
Thanks to that gesture it was definitely a Nimrod then, and at that moment it suddenly got just dusty enough out there to make your eyes water.
It was a beautiful if poignant sunrise."
"We assembled to carry out the deed before dawn so that no prying eyes could see what was about to happen and to clear the apron for other company aircraft activities.
The hangar doors were open and the sky was lightening in the east.
The growl of the tug's engine and the tell-tale slight bounce of the towing arm showed that ZJ514 - formerly XV251 in it's MR1 and MR2 guise was starting its final journey.
Last in the air on 9th September 2010, it was now a mere hulk. Its engines and any useful recoverable equipped had been stripped out.
Although bereft of of its radome, MAD boom, SATCOM canoe and wing tip 'rugby balls', there was still enough of it left to be recognisable as an MRA4 Nimrod.
There must have been something of the Nimrod left in it though because as it moved from being pulled to pushed by the tug on its final journey, from somewhere deep within its DNA it managed to chuck a few gallons of fuel onto the pan.
Thanks to that gesture it was definitely a Nimrod then, and at that moment it suddenly got just dusty enough out there to make your eyes water.
It was a beautiful if poignant sunrise."