New Falklands War Brewing
Totally agree with courtney and salad-dodger. Anybody who's ever been to the islands (including the unwelcome visitors in 1982) are left in no doubt as to the wishes of the islanders.
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Immigration rules - not fair
I seem to recall that North Korea's immigration rules are fairly draconian too, Keejie. What do you propose should be done about that?
However, I am massively amused that you cite the BBC as a mouthpiece of colonialist, oppressive policy. In the UK, at least, the BBC is widely ridiculed for being "pink and fluffy" and frequently opposes the govertmental line. While you are at complete liberty to challenge my claimed independence of the BBC, for me - it's a perverse justification of the position.
Now Moluccan independance and the Nl position - I seem to recall that was a REAL example of a colonial power refusing to accept the peoples' right to self-determination....and quite recently too (so we can avoid thread creep as to how it's all the fault of the Romans in Gaul, or whatever).
My fear is that the south American colonial power in now-Argentina would exhibit a similar attitude to their "inconvenient" subjugated peoples.
Most grateful for your views (but dont go on for ages about why Molucca was different, please).
However, I am massively amused that you cite the BBC as a mouthpiece of colonialist, oppressive policy. In the UK, at least, the BBC is widely ridiculed for being "pink and fluffy" and frequently opposes the govertmental line. While you are at complete liberty to challenge my claimed independence of the BBC, for me - it's a perverse justification of the position.
Now Moluccan independance and the Nl position - I seem to recall that was a REAL example of a colonial power refusing to accept the peoples' right to self-determination....and quite recently too (so we can avoid thread creep as to how it's all the fault of the Romans in Gaul, or whatever).
My fear is that the south American colonial power in now-Argentina would exhibit a similar attitude to their "inconvenient" subjugated peoples.
Most grateful for your views (but dont go on for ages about why Molucca was different, please).
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keesje, I guess its hard to tell if you're just trolling or if its willful ignorance, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about... yet you keep talking...
Hong Kong and the Falklands are not the same. Such things as 99 year leases, treaties, negotiations, agreements and lack of overt hostility or invasion are probably the key differences... I don't know - they seem quite important differences to me?
A statement about the economy from the CIA World Factbook:
You seem to be working off a stereotyped 1970's blue-and-white tinted view of the Falklands. The Argentine invaders truly believed that they were a liberating army and they'd be welcomed by the population with open arms. When they realised their mistake, it came as a bit of a shock, and the reality of a hostile population and a bleak windswept "wasteland" went on to affect morale - they no longer knew what they were fighting for. I'd suggest you visit, then you can find out for yourself.
Hong Kong and the Falklands are not the same. Such things as 99 year leases, treaties, negotiations, agreements and lack of overt hostility or invasion are probably the key differences... I don't know - they seem quite important differences to me?
A statement about the economy from the CIA World Factbook:
Economy - overview:
The economy was formerly based on agriculture, mainly sheep farming but fishing and tourism currently comprise the bulk of economic activity. In 1987, the government began selling fishing licenses to foreign trawlers operating within the Falkland Islands' exclusive fishing zone. These license fees net more than $40 million per year, which help support the island's health, education, and welfare system. The waters around the Falkland Islands are known for their squid, which account for around 75% of the annual 200,000 ton fish catch. Dairy farming supports domestic consumption; crops furnish winter fodder. Foreign exchange earnings come from shipments of high-grade wool to the UK and from the sale of postage stamps and coins. In 2001, the government purchased 100 reindeer with the intent to increase the number to 10,000 over the following 20 years so that Falkland could export venison to Scandinavia and Chile. Tourism, especially eco-tourism, is increasing rapidly, with about 69,000 visitors in 2009. The British military presence also provides a sizeable economic boost. The islands are now self-financing except for defense. In 1993 the British Geological Survey announced a 200-mile oil exploration zone around the islands, and early seismic surveys suggest substantial reserves capable of producing 500,000 barrels per day. Political tensions between the UK and Argentina remain high following the start of oil drilling activities in the waters. In September 2011, a British exploration firm announced that it plans to commence oil production in 2016.
The economy was formerly based on agriculture, mainly sheep farming but fishing and tourism currently comprise the bulk of economic activity. In 1987, the government began selling fishing licenses to foreign trawlers operating within the Falkland Islands' exclusive fishing zone. These license fees net more than $40 million per year, which help support the island's health, education, and welfare system. The waters around the Falkland Islands are known for their squid, which account for around 75% of the annual 200,000 ton fish catch. Dairy farming supports domestic consumption; crops furnish winter fodder. Foreign exchange earnings come from shipments of high-grade wool to the UK and from the sale of postage stamps and coins. In 2001, the government purchased 100 reindeer with the intent to increase the number to 10,000 over the following 20 years so that Falkland could export venison to Scandinavia and Chile. Tourism, especially eco-tourism, is increasing rapidly, with about 69,000 visitors in 2009. The British military presence also provides a sizeable economic boost. The islands are now self-financing except for defense. In 1993 the British Geological Survey announced a 200-mile oil exploration zone around the islands, and early seismic surveys suggest substantial reserves capable of producing 500,000 barrels per day. Political tensions between the UK and Argentina remain high following the start of oil drilling activities in the waters. In September 2011, a British exploration firm announced that it plans to commence oil production in 2016.
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There's no economy that is self-sustaining by todays standards.
Be much obliged if you could validate the above statement with reference sources.
Until then, best you get back under a rock cos' I smell a troll
Be much obliged if you could validate the above statement with reference sources.
Until then, best you get back under a rock cos' I smell a troll
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Oh dear. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The islands make money from sheep, tourism and fishing licences (£15-25 million a year).
There's no economy that is self-sustaining by todays standards.
Be much obliged if you could validate the above statement with reference sources.
Until then, best you get back under a rock cos' I smell a troll
Be much obliged if you could validate the above statement with reference sources.
Until then, best you get back under a rock cos' I smell a troll
The problem, the rest of the world just doesn't understand. Admit, they've never been there. (What % of uk population has, even wants to..)
The figure for annual defense of the islands which has been falling over the last five years, was £69 million in 2010-11, less than half of what it was in 2005-06.
A good percentage of the population is a civil servant. Infrastructure, logistics, healthcare, education for such a small community thousands of miles away.. You get the idea.
You really have no idea Keesje.
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"The figure for annual defense of the islands which has been falling over the last five years, was £69 million in 2010-11, less than half of what it was in 2005-06. "
So, what does that prove ?
Infrastructure already built / projects finished ?
It would be even less if the Agies hadn't invaded in 1982
"The figure for annual defense of the islands which has been falling over the last five years, was £69 million in 2010-11, less than half of what it was in 2005-06. "
So, what does that prove ?
Infrastructure already built / projects finished ?
It would be even less if the Agies hadn't invaded in 1982
I would also assume that a proportion of the cost are costs (such as salaries, accomodation etc) that would still need to be paid even if the soldiers, sailors and airmen were in Catterick, Portsmouth, and Coningsby.
Postman Plod - it's interesting that you backed up my supposition that the Argentine troops thought they were "liberating" the local populace. Apart from the leaflets, I've never seen any other evidence - would be interested to see it if you have!
Keesje - I'll bite. What is that photo meant to prove/represent?
Postman Plod - it's interesting that you backed up my supposition that the Argentine troops thought they were "liberating" the local populace. Apart from the leaflets, I've never seen any other evidence - would be interested to see it if you have!
Keesje - I'll bite. What is that photo meant to prove/represent?
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I think Keesje been at the Bols bottle........... again!
I don't know why you guys feed him; it was the same with his MPA/tanker/transport musings. Although I have to admit looking forward to reading his latest ramblings/fishing expeditions. They do give me a bit of a laugh!
I don't know why you guys feed him; it was the same with his MPA/tanker/transport musings. Although I have to admit looking forward to reading his latest ramblings/fishing expeditions. They do give me a bit of a laugh!
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I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
As a fishing expedition I think we can say it was successful although I think we are near the limit for our quota of red herring.
Keesje - I can't argue with the contention that Stanley is not the same as Hong Kong...
Having been to both places, though, I like them both too. Not that that proves anything, either...
Having been to both places, though, I like them both too. Not that that proves anything, either...
The problem, the rest of the world just doesn't understand. Admit, they've never been there. (What % of uk population has, even wants to..)
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Keesje
The Falkland Islands are a great place & I miss them more than all the other places where I've visited & spent time.
Like a previous poster said. Haven't you got a bridge to hide under?
The Falkland Islands are a great place & I miss them more than all the other places where I've visited & spent time.
Like a previous poster said. Haven't you got a bridge to hide under?
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.. it must be so much better to defend something everyone can understand is the right thing, iso the rest of the world wondering if you're the good guy this time, including your best friends, allies, UN and deepdown maybe yourself..
http://photos.state.gov/libraries/ar...stina2011A.jpg
People think the Queen Elizabeth Land naming last December is nothing more then provocation too. And worse, old fanshioned imperialism..
Queen Elizabeth Land: a retro piece of neo-imperialism for Her Majesty | Jerry Brotton | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Unfortunately I have little sympathy for the Argentines in this matter too, so I'm not the enemy. Just a voice what seems a majority standpoint outside the UK. Sorry.
http://photos.state.gov/libraries/ar...stina2011A.jpg
People think the Queen Elizabeth Land naming last December is nothing more then provocation too. And worse, old fanshioned imperialism..
Queen Elizabeth Land: a retro piece of neo-imperialism for Her Majesty | Jerry Brotton | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Unfortunately I have little sympathy for the Argentines in this matter too, so I'm not the enemy. Just a voice what seems a majority standpoint outside the UK. Sorry.
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Captivep - I can't quite remember exactly where I read it, however it's mentioned in more than one of the number of books I've got on the conflict, including accounts of exactly this from the Argentine and islanders point of view.
I remember reading about an account of an incident in 1966 where a hijacked Argentine airliner (crash)landed on Stanley Racecourse in a Peronist attempt to liberate the islands. The language used in this report probably tells you all you need to know about what many Argentine fundamentalists believe.
Argentina celebrates 45 years of the
I understand that the Argentine education system actively promoted (maybe still does promote?) a highly propagandist (sic?) view of the wider dispute, including the fact that the population are subservient, under the cosh of the British government and desperate for to be liberated from the oppressors. I can't think of anything funnier given what I've witnessed of the Islanders views!
Keesje, yes, we have pictures of David Cameron shaking hands with Obama too. Not sure what you're trying to prove...
As for Hull, can't we give that to Argentina?
I remember reading about an account of an incident in 1966 where a hijacked Argentine airliner (crash)landed on Stanley Racecourse in a Peronist attempt to liberate the islands. The language used in this report probably tells you all you need to know about what many Argentine fundamentalists believe.
Argentina celebrates 45 years of the
I understand that the Argentine education system actively promoted (maybe still does promote?) a highly propagandist (sic?) view of the wider dispute, including the fact that the population are subservient, under the cosh of the British government and desperate for to be liberated from the oppressors. I can't think of anything funnier given what I've witnessed of the Islanders views!
Keesje, yes, we have pictures of David Cameron shaking hands with Obama too. Not sure what you're trying to prove...
As for Hull, can't we give that to Argentina?
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Keesje,
Frankly, I couldn't care less what everyone else thinks, especially the Argentinean and US Presidents, in this case. The bottom line is that the Islands are a British dependancy, the Islanders wish to remain that way and no amount of ill-informed rubbish is ever likely to change that.
Like a lot of other detractors, you have perfected the knack of ignoring pretty much everything that is said to you and all the facts when it suits you. (OOh!)
Please don't listen to the rest of the world telling you to stop, keep posting your very amusing imaginings. I love great comedy.
Oh, and if the naming of a part of Antarctica after our wonderful Monarch has annoyed you and those like you, then it's done its job.
Frankly, I couldn't care less what everyone else thinks, especially the Argentinean and US Presidents, in this case. The bottom line is that the Islands are a British dependancy, the Islanders wish to remain that way and no amount of ill-informed rubbish is ever likely to change that.
Like a lot of other detractors, you have perfected the knack of ignoring pretty much everything that is said to you and all the facts when it suits you. (OOh!)
Please don't listen to the rest of the world telling you to stop, keep posting your very amusing imaginings. I love great comedy.
Oh, and if the naming of a part of Antarctica after our wonderful Monarch has annoyed you and those like you, then it's done its job.
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