New Falklands War Brewing
Harley, you observations in re Realpolitik are well made.
I'll bite then.
It does see the need for an airforce, preferably one that is available to a maritime force when required - ie organic. The fact that some in capability world are unable to recognise both the validity of and requirement for complementary capabilities is a source of constant frustration, frequent mistakes and the laughable "capability holidays" (aka "capability exiles").
It's a bit like saying because the Pongos have trucks they don't need helicopters or APCs, or that the RAF doesn't need E3 because it has a fixed radar chain.
It does see the need for an airforce, preferably one that is available to a maritime force when required - ie organic. The fact that some in capability world are unable to recognise both the validity of and requirement for complementary capabilities is a source of constant frustration, frequent mistakes and the laughable "capability holidays" (aka "capability exiles").
It's a bit like saying because the Pongos have trucks they don't need helicopters or APCs, or that the RAF doesn't need E3 because it has a fixed radar chain.
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The Mercosur countries (Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil and Paraguay) have announced they will ban ships sailing under the Falkland Islands flag from docking at their ports.
HMS Dauntless now southbound for the Falklands
ps: Observe the capable journalism of the Daily Mail in their spelling of 'Falklands Maritime Zone' in the key to the map image but then again .. most PPRuNers can't spell either! And - just exactly how many ports does Paraguay have anyway?
HMS Dauntless now southbound for the Falklands
ps: Observe the capable journalism of the Daily Mail in their spelling of 'Falklands Maritime Zone' in the key to the map image but then again .. most PPRuNers can't spell either! And - just exactly how many ports does Paraguay have anyway?
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My tardiness, but that's the first pic that I've seen of the 'new' destroyer.
The tactic of sending her down to the South Atlantic is bound to frighten the Argies to death - particularly with the big Dalek on board. EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE
The tactic of sending her down to the South Atlantic is bound to frighten the Argies to death - particularly with the big Dalek on board. EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE
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We are all saying what we have not got when it comes to protecting the rights of the people who actually live on the Falklands, but has Argentina the assets to put words into actions?
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Falklands
The Former First Sea Lord West got it in one on the news last night. Military it is simple, defend the Islands with what we have which in his view was OK, but be slack and lose it and without Carriers, Harriers and all the other ships the Navy has lost, not a chance of taking it back. So the ball is in our court.
Is it me or does the new HMS Doutfire or what ever its call look a bit like the KMS Graf Spee, another ship with South Atlantic links
Link to the old ship, it also has a bit of a Dalek going on.
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Is it me or does the new HMS Doutfire or what ever its call look a bit like the KMS Graf Spee, another ship with South Atlantic links
Link to the old ship, it also has a bit of a Dalek going on.
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Glojo,
depends who you listen to, and depends on whether you think their concept of operations has to fit in with the assets we've got on the islands.
personally, i think that if they gave themselves 6 months, hit the credit card and went on the international spares market they could produce a 20 aircraft fast jet force that could run the Typhoons ragged and prevent reinforcement of the air assets on the Islands. how long they could keep that up for is a matter of debate. you'll notice however that Argentina doubled its defence budget two years ago and didn't buy any big ticket items...
unless the RN could then put at least two fully armed and operational Type 45's next to the islands i don't see how the arial stranglehold could be lifted. that said, i don't doubt that a pair of Typhoons under ground direction would make a right mess of an incoming Argentine formation.
my concerns are threefold - a) that in any conflict they will get the first punch in at a time and place of least convenience to us, b) that we have a history of being surprised when our enemy fails to adhere to our plan of how to defeat him, and c) that we confuse our military planning with the enemys political thought process.
i could of course be wrong - sadly however thats not something you'll hear from those who say 'no problem here, nothing to see - move along now'. the fact that such people are usually responsible or concerns (b) and (c) is of course completely coincidental...
depends who you listen to, and depends on whether you think their concept of operations has to fit in with the assets we've got on the islands.
personally, i think that if they gave themselves 6 months, hit the credit card and went on the international spares market they could produce a 20 aircraft fast jet force that could run the Typhoons ragged and prevent reinforcement of the air assets on the Islands. how long they could keep that up for is a matter of debate. you'll notice however that Argentina doubled its defence budget two years ago and didn't buy any big ticket items...
unless the RN could then put at least two fully armed and operational Type 45's next to the islands i don't see how the arial stranglehold could be lifted. that said, i don't doubt that a pair of Typhoons under ground direction would make a right mess of an incoming Argentine formation.
my concerns are threefold - a) that in any conflict they will get the first punch in at a time and place of least convenience to us, b) that we have a history of being surprised when our enemy fails to adhere to our plan of how to defeat him, and c) that we confuse our military planning with the enemys political thought process.
i could of course be wrong - sadly however thats not something you'll hear from those who say 'no problem here, nothing to see - move along now'. the fact that such people are usually responsible or concerns (b) and (c) is of course completely coincidental...
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Is that shot of the ship actually leaving or a stock pictrue? She hasn't got CIWS. Daring has it, but one would have thought that we'd not have deployed a Daring without fitting it. Phallanx was bought after Falklands war losses.
Or perhaps it is a message to Argentina - look, she is so good she doesn't need Phallanx to deal with your threat.
Its not as though we don't have enough spare Phallanx sets knocking round - 3 off Ark, and braces from Newcastle Glasgow, Cardiff, Nott, Exeter, Southampton, Manch, and Gloucester. That's around 20 units.
Or perhaps it is a message to Argentina - look, she is so good she doesn't need Phallanx to deal with your threat.
Its not as though we don't have enough spare Phallanx sets knocking round - 3 off Ark, and braces from Newcastle Glasgow, Cardiff, Nott, Exeter, Southampton, Manch, and Gloucester. That's around 20 units.
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Looks like I'm the first to make a connection between sending HMS Dauntless and HRH Wales going down for a 6 week depolyment.
Would a SeaKing need the protection of the most advanced ship in the Navy?
Would a SeaKing need the protection of the most advanced ship in the Navy?
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I thought 'twas the other way round: the ships needed the protection of the Sea Kings to act as Exocet decoys. Isn't that what his uncle Uncle Andy did during the war - and how the missile got decoyed away from Illustrious onto Atlantic Conveyor?
"you'll notice however that Argentina doubled its defence budget two years ago and didn't buy any big ticket items..."
The increase was there to cover pay and pension costs and not capital equipment expenditure.
The increase was there to cover pay and pension costs and not capital equipment expenditure.
well at least we're absolutely sure where every single penny in the Argentine defence budget goes - thank you, you've restored completely my faith in the omnipetence of MI6 and the far-seeing wisdom of all involved at the highest levels of UK defence planning.
not that my faith needed restoring of course, what with us not having royally fcuked up, ever.
not that my faith needed restoring of course, what with us not having royally fcuked up, ever.