New Falklands War Brewing
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I think naming a bit of the Antarctic - which no-one owns - to be rank stupidity
Talk about throwing petrol on a fire......... totally unnecessary and just give the ARgies another excuse to get worked up
Talk about throwing petrol on a fire......... totally unnecessary and just give the ARgies another excuse to get worked up
Argie Order of Battle......not much changed since last time.
OrBat Argentina - MilAvia Press.com: Military Aviation Publications
What you going to fly off them?
Besides helicopters....are you not bereft of any attack aircraft that can use the Carriers?
OrBat Argentina - MilAvia Press.com: Military Aviation Publications
I believe HMS ILLUSTRIOUS & HMS OCEAN Still exist!
Besides helicopters....are you not bereft of any attack aircraft that can use the Carriers?
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Argie Order of Battle......not much changed since last time.
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What you going to fly off them?
OrBat United Kingdom - MilAvia Press.com: Military Aviation Publications
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their country would probably now be on the same level as our other ex colonies
Which ex-colonies are you referring to? Not Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Sudan, Somalia, etc, I presume.
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Which ex-colonies are you referring to? Not Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Sudan, Somalia, etc, I presume.
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Via the WSJ:
Via the WSJ:
BUENOS AIRES—Argentina has hired a private jet for President Cristina Kirchner’s trip to Asia and the Middle East later this month due to the risk that creditors might try to seize her official aircraft. The chartered plane will cost $880,000 for the weeklong trip, or about 20% more than it would cost to travel in Tango 01, the Boeing BA 757 customarily used for presidential travel, the government said Monday. Argentina hired the same U.K.-based aircraft charter company, Chapman Freeborn, in 2010 and 2011 for Mrs. Kirchner’s trips in South America and to Europe….
Entertaining that she’s relying on a British-based company for this.
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Perhaps the best way to cripple what remaining military assets Argentina still has is to parachute in a crack band of bailiffs to seize 'to the value of'.
Not sure of the value though, surely not much more than scrap prices.
Not sure of the value though, surely not much more than scrap prices.
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Defence chiefs have drawn up new contingency plans designed to prevent hostile action by Argentina towards the Falkland Islands
How Britian's current military forces compare to 1982:
1982
Armed Forces Personnel: 320,000
Ships: 2 Carriers, 2 Assault ships, 32 Submarines, 15 Destroyers, 46 Frigates, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 12 Hydrographic survey ships, 15 Patrol ships/craft, 29 Minesweepers and minehunters, 45 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Aircraft: 400 plus
2013
Armed Forces personnel:160,000
Ships: 0 Carriers, 9 Submarines, 7 Destroyers, 13 Frigates, 2 Assault/Helicopter Carriers, 2 Assault/Command Ships, 3 RFA Landing Ships, 3 Survey ships, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 4 Patrol Ships, 15 Minehunters, 10 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Fighter Aircraft: 130
Defence chiefs prepare new plans to defend Falkland Islands - Telegraph
A series of military options are being actively considered as the war of words over the islands intensifies.
It is understood that additional troops, another warship and extra RAF Typhoon combat aircraft could be dispatched to the region ahead of the March referendum on the Falkland Islands’ future.
It is understood that additional troops, another warship and extra RAF Typhoon combat aircraft could be dispatched to the region ahead of the March referendum on the Falkland Islands’ future.
1982
Armed Forces Personnel: 320,000
Ships: 2 Carriers, 2 Assault ships, 32 Submarines, 15 Destroyers, 46 Frigates, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 12 Hydrographic survey ships, 15 Patrol ships/craft, 29 Minesweepers and minehunters, 45 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Aircraft: 400 plus
2013
Armed Forces personnel:160,000
Ships: 0 Carriers, 9 Submarines, 7 Destroyers, 13 Frigates, 2 Assault/Helicopter Carriers, 2 Assault/Command Ships, 3 RFA Landing Ships, 3 Survey ships, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 4 Patrol Ships, 15 Minehunters, 10 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Fighter Aircraft: 130
Defence chiefs prepare new plans to defend Falkland Islands - Telegraph
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How Britian's current military forces compare to 1982:
1982
Armed Forces Personnel: 320,000
Ships: 2 Carriers, 2 Assault ships, 32 Submarines, 15 Destroyers, 46 Frigates, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 12 Hydrographic survey ships, 15 Patrol ships/craft, 29 Minesweepers and minehunters, 45 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Aircraft: 400 plus
2013
Armed Forces personnel:160,000
Ships: 0 Carriers, 9 Submarines, 7 Destroyers, 13 Frigates, 2 Assault/Helicopter Carriers, 2 Assault/Command Ships, 3 RFA Landing Ships, 3 Survey ships, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 4 Patrol Ships, 15 Minehunters, 10 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Fighter Aircraft: 130
1982
Armed Forces Personnel: 320,000
Ships: 2 Carriers, 2 Assault ships, 32 Submarines, 15 Destroyers, 46 Frigates, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 12 Hydrographic survey ships, 15 Patrol ships/craft, 29 Minesweepers and minehunters, 45 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Aircraft: 400 plus
2013
Armed Forces personnel:160,000
Ships: 0 Carriers, 9 Submarines, 7 Destroyers, 13 Frigates, 2 Assault/Helicopter Carriers, 2 Assault/Command Ships, 3 RFA Landing Ships, 3 Survey ships, 1 Ice Patrol Ship, 4 Patrol Ships, 15 Minehunters, 10 Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Fighter Aircraft: 130
I'm sure we used to have some 'tanks' around somewhere, haven't we found them yet?
Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank - British Army Website
Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicle - British Army Website
Stormer - British Army Website
Scimitar Armoured Reconnaissance Vehicle - British Army Website
..2013, all we have is fighter aircraft?, I'm pretty sure we have some helicopters hanging around somewhere!
Aircraft - British Army Website
RAF - Helicopters
..even if some are RN;
Naval Air Squadrons | Royal Navy
and some other flying machines that aren't fighter ac;
RAF - Aircraft
Still, it's easier to simply cut and paste an article from the interweb
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..and apart from the guys in Northern Ireland, there was also a whole Battlegroup in Canada at that time, (but funnily enough not one ship to be seen!)
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I see from the Torygraph that the plans are being dusted off. Pretty simple really, couple of Nimrods to do sweeps up the coast, show of force with a carrier, escorts and a few SHAR. What more do we need?
You have four Typhoons there now....what more could one possibly need.
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Five?
Eight?
16x A-4AR Skyhawk ground attack
6x M5 Finger air defence
6x M5A Mara air defence
7x Mirage 3EA air defence
8x Super Etendard maritime strike
Not exactly a balanced strike force.
Eight?
16x A-4AR Skyhawk ground attack
6x M5 Finger air defence
6x M5A Mara air defence
7x Mirage 3EA air defence
8x Super Etendard maritime strike
Not exactly a balanced strike force.
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Falklands could not be held against Argentina'
02 April 2012
Britain's armed forces would struggle to defend, reinforce or retake the Falkland Islands if Argentina invaded again, a defence pressure group has warned.
A report from the UK National Defence Association (UKNDA) said defence cuts had placed the territories at greater risk than they had been since the 1982 invasion.
It warned that the islands' coastline could not be defended from an invasion and that Argentina could use almost all of its armed forces to invade at a time when the British forces consisted of "just four Typhoons, a Type-45 Destroyer, and Rapier short range missiles around Mount Pleasant airfield".
The UKNDA argued that Britain would not be able to deploy reinforcements in time and that forces stationed on the Falkland Islands would "necessarily have to hold Mount Pleasant airfield and its environs for a week before help arrived".
The pressure group said an amphibious assault would be required to retake the islands and that 112 British ships were needed in 1982. But it said this number could not be raised now with amphibious warfare capabilities "dramatically reduced", and a "considerably smaller" Royal Navy.
"There would be no fighter cover for the landing force and shipping," their report said. "There is no carrier… There is no question of providing air support using RAF fighters. There are no bases within range. In-flight re-fuelling, given the number of re-fuels required for a round trip of 8,000 miles from Ascension, would be impossible in the face of the threat posed by the Argentine air force."
But Brigadier Bill Aldridge, commander of British Forces in the Falklands reportedly said he was "entirely confident" he could "do the job that is required".
A Ministry of Defence spokesman told the Press Association there was no evidence of "any current credible military threat to the Falkland Islands".
"Unlike in 1982, we have a well defended airfield in the Falklands with ground-based air defences, and continue to have the ability to reinforce by air and sea," the spokesman said.
"People should be reassured by the contingencies that we now have in place compared to 30 years ago."
02 April 2012
Britain's armed forces would struggle to defend, reinforce or retake the Falkland Islands if Argentina invaded again, a defence pressure group has warned.
A report from the UK National Defence Association (UKNDA) said defence cuts had placed the territories at greater risk than they had been since the 1982 invasion.
It warned that the islands' coastline could not be defended from an invasion and that Argentina could use almost all of its armed forces to invade at a time when the British forces consisted of "just four Typhoons, a Type-45 Destroyer, and Rapier short range missiles around Mount Pleasant airfield".
The UKNDA argued that Britain would not be able to deploy reinforcements in time and that forces stationed on the Falkland Islands would "necessarily have to hold Mount Pleasant airfield and its environs for a week before help arrived".
The pressure group said an amphibious assault would be required to retake the islands and that 112 British ships were needed in 1982. But it said this number could not be raised now with amphibious warfare capabilities "dramatically reduced", and a "considerably smaller" Royal Navy.
"There would be no fighter cover for the landing force and shipping," their report said. "There is no carrier… There is no question of providing air support using RAF fighters. There are no bases within range. In-flight re-fuelling, given the number of re-fuels required for a round trip of 8,000 miles from Ascension, would be impossible in the face of the threat posed by the Argentine air force."
But Brigadier Bill Aldridge, commander of British Forces in the Falklands reportedly said he was "entirely confident" he could "do the job that is required".
A Ministry of Defence spokesman told the Press Association there was no evidence of "any current credible military threat to the Falkland Islands".
"Unlike in 1982, we have a well defended airfield in the Falklands with ground-based air defences, and continue to have the ability to reinforce by air and sea," the spokesman said.
"People should be reassured by the contingencies that we now have in place compared to 30 years ago."
Almost sounds like Singapore of old in concept. In those days the guns pointed towards the Sea....and today the guns protect an airfield.
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But Brigadier Bill Aldridge, commander of British Forces in the Falklands reportedly said he was "entirely confident" he could "do the job that is required".
. . ."
"Unlike in 1982, we have a well defended airfield in the Falklands with ground-based air defences, and continue to have the ability to reinforce by air and sea," the spokesman said.
. . ."
"Unlike in 1982, we have a well defended airfield in the Falklands with ground-based air defences, and continue to have the ability to reinforce by air and sea," the spokesman said.
The balance of forces in 2012 is entirely different from 30 years ago. One side has modern up to date equipment, the other is using bombers first acquired 47 years ago and maritime strike aircraft acquired just before the Falklands war.
Quality over quantity but best in large numbers. We have better fighters and in larger numbers.