New Falklands War Brewing
"Is that shot of the ship actually leaving or a stock pictrue? She hasn't got CIWS. Daring has it, but one would have thought that we'd not have deployed a Daring without fitting it. Phallanx was bought after Falklands war losses."
The photo shows HMS Dauntless entering Portsmouth harbour for the first time in Dec 2009 (link).
The photo shows HMS Dauntless entering Portsmouth harbour for the first time in Dec 2009 (link).
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My thoughts are you can never have too much weaponry, was the Doubtless the lead ship regarding the testing\evaluation of Viper? Could it be that complacency dictates that the system is so good it does not need CIWS? Viper may well be the all singing, all dancing latest, state of the art system but Murphy's Law will always out trump your best hand and when you need a viper to send a message, Mister Murphy will intervene and that to me is when you NEED CIWS secreted up a sleeve.
Other posts have suggested this ship deploy just off a coast to be the most effective!! I am of a different generation but to me warships working close to a coastline are possibly not playing to their strengths.. Look no further than the Falklands, brave men that knew they were putting themselves into harms way.
Other posts have suggested this ship deploy just off a coast to be the most effective!! I am of a different generation but to me warships working close to a coastline are possibly not playing to their strengths.. Look no further than the Falklands, brave men that knew they were putting themselves into harms way.
Daring and Diamond both have Phalanx fitted. Currently Dauntless is still waiting for hers as posted yesterday before someone removed the post in a fit of misplaced OPSEC. Open source pictures from January show her without the fit, but she is due soon.......
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@ Not A Boffin,
Doesn't the fit look ugly. Almost as if it were an after thought - even though the Type 45 went through a design phase in 1999 and 2000 where it was designed to have Phalanx.
Doesn't the fit look ugly. Almost as if it were an after thought - even though the Type 45 went through a design phase in 1999 and 2000 where it was designed to have Phalanx.
I did a quick read through at wikipedia on Daring class
I'd be interested in seeing a one for one comparison with Flight III* and later Burke class DDG's. (Those have embarked helicopter capabiliy, which earlier Burke's didn't.)
Good thing the Phalanx is fitted.
Then again, I recall back in my various deployments during the 80's that a variety of hardware and software problems in CIWS operations led to the acronym being pronounced as
"Christ, It Won't Shoot!" rather than
"Close In Weapons System."
I understand from my black-shoe friends that those issues got sorted out (more or less) in the mid to late 80's.
* = sorry, I meant Flight IIA.
The Daring class have often been considered to be the most powerful air-defence warships in the world.
Good thing the Phalanx is fitted.
Then again, I recall back in my various deployments during the 80's that a variety of hardware and software problems in CIWS operations led to the acronym being pronounced as
"Christ, It Won't Shoot!" rather than
"Close In Weapons System."
I understand from my black-shoe friends that those issues got sorted out (more or less) in the mid to late 80's.
* = sorry, I meant Flight IIA.
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@Hval
No the fit doesn't look too bad once you realise what they're trying to do. The ship however looks like a slapped @rse, it's only saving grace is that it is nowhere near as stomach churning as the Spanish F100, which fell out of the Ugly Tree and hit every branch on the way down, Fdump, Fdump, Fdump!
No the fit doesn't look too bad once you realise what they're trying to do. The ship however looks like a slapped @rse, it's only saving grace is that it is nowhere near as stomach churning as the Spanish F100, which fell out of the Ugly Tree and hit every branch on the way down, Fdump, Fdump, Fdump!
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Agree with you on the F100.
Still think the wee "pods" the phalanx sit on look like an afterthought and deface the angled sides. Mind you, I also think that when you look at the side profile of the ship that it looks like 15% is missing at the stern
Still think the wee "pods" the phalanx sit on look like an afterthought and deface the angled sides. Mind you, I also think that when you look at the side profile of the ship that it looks like 15% is missing at the stern
My thoughts are you can never have too much weaponry, was the Doubtless the lead ship regarding the testing\evaluation of Viper? Could it be that complacency dictates that the system is so good it does not need CIWS? Viper may well be the all singing, all dancing latest, state of the art system but Murphy's Law will always out trump your best hand and when you need a viper to send a message, Mister Murphy will intervene and that to me is when you NEED CIWS secreted up a sleeve.
Complacency always a bad place to start from.
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Doubtful. However, I'll wager that the Dauntless Wardroom shall be well prepared for a Right Royal Guest Night!
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Looks like I'm the first to make a connection between sending HMS Dauntless and HRH Wales going down for a 6 week depolyment.
Would a SeaKing need the protection of the most advanced ship in the Navy?
Would a SeaKing need the protection of the most advanced ship in the Navy?
RPC HRH, Regrets Only.
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This is an interesting article Giving some background information as to the motivation behind this latest bout of sabre rattling.
The New Falklands War — MercoPress
It's not just the oil it appears Argentina's recent economic success may not be all it's cracked up to be and they've been caught cooking the stats!
The New Falklands War — MercoPress
It's not just the oil it appears Argentina's recent economic success may not be all it's cracked up to be and they've been caught cooking the stats!
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What a surprise, so back to 1982 again, using the Falklands to deflect from criticism of the Gov't (then military junta).
Last time Gov't criticism to patriotic flag waving over night, this time
maybe not so lucky !!!
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Last time Gov't criticism to patriotic flag waving over night, this time
maybe not so lucky !!!
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Economic and communication blockade
See in todays DT that Argentina are probably going to cancel LAN Chile's overflight clearance to MPA thus stuffing up the only commercial flight to the FI.
They really have not heard that you catch more flies with honey
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Might I suggest that HMG leases a Boeing 777LR to circumvent this silliness. It could fly London - MPA direct and still hold 2 hours of island holding fuel.
Rather like SAA flying around the whole of Africa to access Europe during the bad old days.
Where there is a will there is a way..............
They really have not heard that you catch more flies with honey
.Might I suggest that HMG leases a Boeing 777LR to circumvent this silliness. It could fly London - MPA direct and still hold 2 hours of island holding fuel.
Rather like SAA flying around the whole of Africa to access Europe during the bad old days.
Where there is a will there is a way..............
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OK.
It seems my scepticism may be wrong, it's happened before.
HRH is leaving soon, the ship wont be there for a good few weeks, even if it leaves this week.
Will they overlap? Who knows?
It seems my scepticism may be wrong, it's happened before.
HRH is leaving soon, the ship wont be there for a good few weeks, even if it leaves this week.
Will they overlap? Who knows?
Will they overlap? Who knows?
I don't believe in coincidences.
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I've thought long and hard about the Malvinas and can not help but be on the side of the Argentinians. Just because the Falklands belonged to Britain before Argentina even existed does not matter one bit. The Argentinan leadership is quite correct to denounce colonialism and insist that historical boundaries are respected. I for one can't wait for Argentina to be given back to the indigenous tribes and the current colonists to **** off back to Spain! Cheers!
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I've thought long and hard about the Malvinas and can not help but be on the side of the Argentinians. Just because the Falklands belonged to Britain before Argentina even existed does not matter one bit. The Argentinan leadership is quite correct to denounce colonialism and insist that historical boundaries are respected. I for one can't wait for Argentina to be given back to the indigenous tribes and the current colonists to **** off back to Spain! Cheers!
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Furnace Rats, I am inviting you to the Officer's Mess where my son is stationed for a pint where you can broadcast your point of view!
Now that's the kind of talk from the British government I like to read about in the morning!
*Argentina’s foreign ministry has suggested the Duke has arrived as a “conqueror”.
*Speaking on Argentina’s La Red radio station, Mr Boudou was also asked about reports that Buenos Aires has put pressure on Chile to stop weekly flights to the Falklands, which pass over Argentine airspace. He said there had been “a very firm response from all the countries in our region” over the issue.
*As Prince William began a six-week tour of duty with his RAF Search & Rescue Squadron, Argentina’s vice-president made a proclamation in which he claimed that his presence was an act of “bravado” to detract attention from Scotland’s bid for independence.
Navy sources have warned Buenos Aires that its entire air force would be wiped out if it tried to attack.
*Argentina’s foreign ministry has suggested the Duke has arrived as a “conqueror”.
*Speaking on Argentina’s La Red radio station, Mr Boudou was also asked about reports that Buenos Aires has put pressure on Chile to stop weekly flights to the Falklands, which pass over Argentine airspace. He said there had been “a very firm response from all the countries in our region” over the issue.
*As Prince William began a six-week tour of duty with his RAF Search & Rescue Squadron, Argentina’s vice-president made a proclamation in which he claimed that his presence was an act of “bravado” to detract attention from Scotland’s bid for independence.