So what happens to the RAF after 2015?
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So what happens to the RAF after 2015?
If we withdraw from the Stan and the ME totally by 2015 and cruising into downtown Tehran with a few battlegroups is not a viable option, what's left to do?
1. UK and FI QRA?
2. Small scale humanitarian aid flights?
After allowances have been cut to ribbons, CEA cut, pay freeze continues, manpower bill shrinks to c. 20 000 or lower...is there a job we can or should do outside the two above?
How low can we go? 10 000 personnel as part of a UK Defence Force by 2020?
(Basically, should I PVR next year....? (Considering I reach 38 on AFPS 75 in 2015!))
1. UK and FI QRA?
2. Small scale humanitarian aid flights?
After allowances have been cut to ribbons, CEA cut, pay freeze continues, manpower bill shrinks to c. 20 000 or lower...is there a job we can or should do outside the two above?
How low can we go? 10 000 personnel as part of a UK Defence Force by 2020?
(Basically, should I PVR next year....? (Considering I reach 38 on AFPS 75 in 2015!))
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To put the current situation in context; in 1919 the RAF's 188 Operational Squadrons were reduced to 12 - of which only 2 were based in the UK.
In 1945 the RAF had more than 1 million Personnel and 55000 aircraft - but by 1948 that been reduced to 38 thousand Personnel and slightly more than 1000 aircraft at home and in overseas Commands.
In both cases the prime mover was the state of the economy - as it is today. The coffers are empty and the current conflicts do not impinge on the every day life of the British Public. The current concerns for THEM are how the cuts in Public Spending will affect THEM. Students protesting about their fees get more Publicity from their actions than the Armed forces get in a month of Sundays.
The vast majority of the British Public do not understand why the British Military are in Afghanistan and the Funeral Parades through Wooton Bassett no longer make News Bulletins as a matter of course. In the eyes of many of the Public those Parades have become a matter of routine and they are more interested in who is going to win "X Factor".
Nobody in HMG makes any effort to explain to the British Public in simple terms exactly why we are in Afghanistan. Until that is done the sacrifices of British Military will not fully register on the conscience of the British People. Only then will the British Military get the Funding and Resources to carry out their roles properly.
In 1945 the RAF had more than 1 million Personnel and 55000 aircraft - but by 1948 that been reduced to 38 thousand Personnel and slightly more than 1000 aircraft at home and in overseas Commands.
In both cases the prime mover was the state of the economy - as it is today. The coffers are empty and the current conflicts do not impinge on the every day life of the British Public. The current concerns for THEM are how the cuts in Public Spending will affect THEM. Students protesting about their fees get more Publicity from their actions than the Armed forces get in a month of Sundays.
The vast majority of the British Public do not understand why the British Military are in Afghanistan and the Funeral Parades through Wooton Bassett no longer make News Bulletins as a matter of course. In the eyes of many of the Public those Parades have become a matter of routine and they are more interested in who is going to win "X Factor".
Nobody in HMG makes any effort to explain to the British Public in simple terms exactly why we are in Afghanistan. Until that is done the sacrifices of British Military will not fully register on the conscience of the British People. Only then will the British Military get the Funding and Resources to carry out their roles properly.
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Cazatou, "Nobody in HMG makes any effort to explain to the British Public in simple terms exactly why we are in Afghanistan."
There is a good reason why nobody is trying to explain to the British public and that is because there is no explanation!
Complete and utter waste of British tax payers money and much more importantly and sadly a complete waste of life for every nation involved.
Whatever reason or aim they have tried to sell us in the past has not been achieved, when we eventually leave not one of the politicians will honestly be able to look in the families of lost ones eyes and say it was worth it.
In ten years time it will still be the same dusty ****hole, still peddaling the worlds supply of drugs and terror
As for Iran, well if we (the west) go in there then you have to seriously wonder if we have learnt any lessons at all from history
There is a good reason why nobody is trying to explain to the British public and that is because there is no explanation!
Complete and utter waste of British tax payers money and much more importantly and sadly a complete waste of life for every nation involved.
Whatever reason or aim they have tried to sell us in the past has not been achieved, when we eventually leave not one of the politicians will honestly be able to look in the families of lost ones eyes and say it was worth it.
In ten years time it will still be the same dusty ****hole, still peddaling the worlds supply of drugs and terror
As for Iran, well if we (the west) go in there then you have to seriously wonder if we have learnt any lessons at all from history
So what happens to the RAF after 2015?
By then the yanks might have elected Sarah Palin as President.
The world will rapidly become a very dangerous place. Who knows, she might even mix us up with France and try to nuke us.
The world will rapidly become a very dangerous place. Who knows, she might even mix us up with France and try to nuke us.
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As the Coalition Forces in Afghanistan include Sweden - a Country which was neutral during both World Wars - it would seem that your viewpoint is not universally shared.
Pakistan would fall completely into Civil War - which would doubtless engulf the whole Sub Continent as India has a sizeable Muslim population. Iran would subjugate the UAE, Iraq, Oman and Saudi Arabia for their oil assets. There is already considerable concern in respect of Iran's Nuclear Programme, and both India and Pakistan are alleged to hold stocks of viable nuclear weapons.
The Taliban fund their activities through the opium trade and they would increase the supply of drugs substantially if Coalition Forces withdrew their Forces.
When you volunteer for Service in HM's Armed Forces you accept that your life is no longer completely your own. There are times when you have to deploy at short notice and accept conditions which do not conform to the requirements of the Health and Safety at Work legislation.
If you are not willing any longer to accept those conditions then PVR - and let someone who is willing to fulfil their obligations take your place.
As the Coalition Forces in Afghanistan include Sweden - a Country which was neutral during both World Wars - it would seem that your viewpoint is not universally shared.
Pakistan would fall completely into Civil War - which would doubtless engulf the whole Sub Continent as India has a sizeable Muslim population. Iran would subjugate the UAE, Iraq, Oman and Saudi Arabia for their oil assets. There is already considerable concern in respect of Iran's Nuclear Programme, and both India and Pakistan are alleged to hold stocks of viable nuclear weapons.
The Taliban fund their activities through the opium trade and they would increase the supply of drugs substantially if Coalition Forces withdrew their Forces.
When you volunteer for Service in HM's Armed Forces you accept that your life is no longer completely your own. There are times when you have to deploy at short notice and accept conditions which do not conform to the requirements of the Health and Safety at Work legislation.
If you are not willing any longer to accept those conditions then PVR - and let someone who is willing to fulfil their obligations take your place.
What DIN?
vec is either talking hoop, which is not unusual, or is referring to an RN only DIN.
The RAF DIN is due out in Feb 2011. Dates for all 3 RAF tranches (publication of field dates, decision notification dates, exit dates, etc) have been briefed by Manning, at least they have at one location.
Basically there is nothing you can do, except some individual long term speculative planning, until Feb/Mar 2011.
vec is either talking hoop, which is not unusual, or is referring to an RN only DIN.
The RAF DIN is due out in Feb 2011. Dates for all 3 RAF tranches (publication of field dates, decision notification dates, exit dates, etc) have been briefed by Manning, at least they have at one location.
Basically there is nothing you can do, except some individual long term speculative planning, until Feb/Mar 2011.
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Apologies - It was an RN only Galaxy which told those who were safe that they were not going to be made redundant. If I recall correctly the only Aviators under threat were Sea King Pilots....which kind of makes sense.
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Vec,
You either did not read the Galaxy note or are just spouting rubbish...
Across the FAA, the only PILOTS that are safe are QHIs (current within 6 years on SK4, Lynx and Merlin).
QOIs and Aircrewmen were also listed.
You either did not read the Galaxy note or are just spouting rubbish...
Across the FAA, the only PILOTS that are safe are QHIs (current within 6 years on SK4, Lynx and Merlin).
QOIs and Aircrewmen were also listed.