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At a recent squadron function I chatted to a few old friends now on IOT. The pilot branch lad was full of doom and gloom, he claimed that seventy five percent of the last 60(r) course were offered either sixteen month holds or redundancy, and things looked really bad for him. The ABM branch lad was understandably smug. For myself going into IOT in 2011 I have a suspicion that I might just be OK, narrowly avoiding the kneejerk pilot pogroms, but I'm touching a heck of a lot of wood, and preparing contingency plans.
Has anybody else heard much else?
Has anybody else heard much else?
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You are hopelessly over-optimistic young man.
All the WSO students, bar the senior course who were about to graduate, were given an arbitrary chop before Xmas and the pilot trainees do not seem to be getting away with it either.
There is NO guarantee that a place on IOT will ever get your bum on the seat of a military aircraft.
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All the WSO students, bar the senior course who were about to graduate, were given an arbitrary chop before Xmas and the pilot trainees do not seem to be getting away with it either.
There is NO guarantee that a place on IOT will ever get your bum on the seat of a military aircraft.
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At a recent squadron function I chatted to a few old friends now on IOT. The pilot branch lad was full of doom and gloom, he claimed that seventy five percent of the last 60(r) course were offered either sixteen month holds or redundancy, and things looked really bad for him.
I.E. its wrong!
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You are hopelessly over-optimistic young man.
All the WSO students, bar the senior course who were about to graduate, were given an arbitrary chop before Xmas and the pilot trainees do not seem to be getting away with it either.
There is NO guarantee that a place on IOT will ever get your bum on the seat of a military aircraft.
CS
All the WSO students, bar the senior course who were about to graduate, were given an arbitrary chop before Xmas and the pilot trainees do not seem to be getting away with it either.
There is NO guarantee that a place on IOT will ever get your bum on the seat of a military aircraft.
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To add a wee bit of meat onto Scotty's post.
One of the current courses which started at 60 sqn in early autumn have only managed a couple of flights apiece, have been told to come back from leave at the end of January, but not to expect to fly until June / July time due to a backlog on OCUs which is to be cleared before 60 carry on normal jogging.
One of the current courses which started at 60 sqn in early autumn have only managed a couple of flights apiece, have been told to come back from leave at the end of January, but not to expect to fly until June / July time due to a backlog on OCUs which is to be cleared before 60 carry on normal jogging.
If you do get told to expect a big hold, don't worry. In the early 90's I held for a total of three and a half years between courses and it didn't do me any harm.........Apart from that liver damage thing and a minor dose of the clap.
The devil makes work .........
The devil makes work .........
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Arty, and the cynic injection and the career break - you would be over 55 before you could be considered for CAS.
Eh?
I never really wanted to be CAS. Mind you, I'm not a nav, so I've got better things to be getting along with.
Take the hold, get paid, get to be a pilot. It's ace!
I never really wanted to be CAS. Mind you, I'm not a nav, so I've got better things to be getting along with.
Take the hold, get paid, get to be a pilot. It's ace!
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...if only the long hold was still on offer. Short/medium term pilot trainee requirements are looking so low that it may be that large numbers will be disposed of (to any other available branch (non-aircrew) or possibly outside).
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Tranche 1 Redundancy..........
CS,
The first Tranche of redundancies is likely to include c100-200 ab-initio pilots, 150 WSOps, 50 ME WSOs, some fast jet WSOs & loads of TG1! Watch this space.......!
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The first Tranche of redundancies is likely to include c100-200 ab-initio pilots, 150 WSOps, 50 ME WSOs, some fast jet WSOs & loads of TG1! Watch this space.......!
SB
SB,
I think you'll find that at least some of the numbers you have quoted are the target figures for the whole redundancy period.
Now whether they will "front load" tranche 1 in order to achieve exits as fast as possible I don't know, but would be surprised if it included numbers as high as you have indicated. One would have to ask what is the point/need for tranches 2 and 3 (I realize it is not just about aircrew...!!) if you are going to achieve all your planned redundancies in tranche 1......
I think you'll find that at least some of the numbers you have quoted are the target figures for the whole redundancy period.
Now whether they will "front load" tranche 1 in order to achieve exits as fast as possible I don't know, but would be surprised if it included numbers as high as you have indicated. One would have to ask what is the point/need for tranches 2 and 3 (I realize it is not just about aircrew...!!) if you are going to achieve all your planned redundancies in tranche 1......
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Biggus,
Whilst I can see the logic of your comments, however they have to be balanced by the knowledge of two entire fleets being scrapped and an awfull lot of people already on gardening leave. With the best will in the world, there are redundancy ripe individuals without portfolio, and sadly sooner rather then later may be the optimal way forward.
In fact it will be a credit to the chaps at Manning if they are able to sucessfully sort this out within timeframe. Though if rushed, mistakes will be made and assets to service (good people) lost.
Whilst I can see the logic of your comments, however they have to be balanced by the knowledge of two entire fleets being scrapped and an awfull lot of people already on gardening leave. With the best will in the world, there are redundancy ripe individuals without portfolio, and sadly sooner rather then later may be the optimal way forward.
In fact it will be a credit to the chaps at Manning if they are able to sucessfully sort this out within timeframe. Though if rushed, mistakes will be made and assets to service (good people) lost.
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For some being pushed early might be better than hanging on and getting pushed late.
Traditionally tranche 1 cleaves the majority and tranche 2 does a fine tune with tranche 3 clearing up some who have a useful job in the near term.
Equally traditionally the axe will prove too blunt and holes will appear where none were expected.
Traditionally tranche 1 cleaves the majority and tranche 2 does a fine tune with tranche 3 clearing up some who have a useful job in the near term.
Equally traditionally the axe will prove too blunt and holes will appear where none were expected.