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Old 15th Nov 2010, 16:50
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Bzn Met

Just wondering...

What's the weather been like at Brize today?
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Old 15th Nov 2010, 17:34
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BRIZE NORTON - EGVN - BZZ
METAR:

EGVN 151750Z 00000KT 0200 FG BKN000 00/M00 Q1016 RED NOSIG=
EGVN 151750Z 00000KT 0200 FG BKN000 00/M00 Q1016 NOSIG=
EGVN 151650Z 15001KT 0400 FG BKN000 01/01 Q1016 RED NOSIG=
EGVN 151650Z 15001KT 0400 FG BKN000 01/01 Q1016 NOSIG=
EGVN 151550Z 12002KT 0200 FG BKN000 02/02 Q1015 RED NOSIG=
EGVN 151550Z 12002KT 0200 FG BKN000 02/02 Q1015 NOSIG=
EGVN 151450Z 00000KT 0200 FG BKN000 03/03 Q1014 RED NOSIG=
EGVN 151450Z 00000KT 0200 FG BKN000 03/03 Q1014 NOSIG=
EGVN 151350Z 12002KT 0400 BCFG SCT001 04/03 Q1014 TEMPO 3000
BR FEW002=
EGVN 151350Z 12002KT 0400 BCFG SCT001 04/03 Q1014 RED TEMPO
3000 BR FEW002 YLO1=
EGVN 151250Z 24001KT 0500 FG BKN000 03/02 Q1014 TEMPO 3000 BR
FEW001=
EGVN 151250Z 24001KT 0500 FG BKN000 03/02 Q1014 RED TEMPO 3000
BR FEW001 YLO1=
EGVN 151150Z 16001KT 0300 FG BKN000 01/01 Q1014 RED TEMPO 3000
BR FEW002 YLO1=
EGVN 151150Z 16001KT 0300 FG BKN000 01/01 Q1014 TEMPO 3000 BR
FEW002=
EGVN 151050Z AUTO 14002KT 8000NDV HZ NCD 01/M00 Q1014 RESN=
EGVN 151010Z 12001KT 3000 BR FEW001 M00/M01 Q1013 YLO1 BECMG 5000 WHT=
EGVN 150950Z AUTO 00000KT 2400NDV UP FEW000/// M01/M01 Q1013=
EGVN 150850Z 00000KT 0450 FZFG SCT000 SCT100 M02/M02 Q1012 RED TEMPO 1200 MIFG SCT002 AMB=
EGVN 150850Z 00000KT 0450 FZFG SCT000 SCT100 M02/M02 Q1012
TEMPO 1200 MIFG SCT002=
EGVN 150750Z 00000KT 0300 FZFG SCT001 BKN220 M02/M03 Q1011 RED TEMPO 1200 MIFG SCT002 AMB=
EGVN 150750Z 00000KT 0300 FZFG SCT001 BKN220 M02/M03 Q1011 TEMPO 1200 MIFG SCT002=
EGVN 150650Z 00000KT 1000 0600SE FZFG SCT000 BKN200 M02/M02 Q1010 TEMPO 1200 MIFG SCT002=
EGVN 150650Z 00000KT 1000 0600SE FZFG SCT000 BKN200 M02/M02
Q1010 RED TEMPO 1200 MIFG SCT002 AMB=
EGVN 150550Z 00000KT 0250 FZFG BKN000 M02/M02 Q1009 NOSIG=
EGVN 150550Z 00000KT 0250 FZFG BKN000 M02/M02 Q1009 RED NOSIG=
EGVN 150450Z 00000KT 0250 FZFG OVC000 M01/M01 Q1009 NOSIG=
EGVN 150450Z 00000KT 0250 FZFG OVC000 M01/M01 Q1009 RED NOSIG=
EGVN 150350Z 00000KT 0400 FZFG OVC000 M01/M01 Q1008 TEMPO
1500 VCFG FEW001=
EGVN 150350Z 00000KT 0400 FZFG OVC000 M01/M01 Q1008 RED TEMPO 1500 VCFG FEW001 AMB=
EGVN 150337Z 00000KT 2000 0700S PRFG SCT000 M00/M01 Q1008 RED TEMPO 1500 VCFG FEW001 AMB=
EGVN 150321Z 00000KT 2500 BR FEW001 M00/M00 Q1007 YLO1 TEMPO 0700 VCFG SCT000 RED=
EGVN 150303Z 35001KT 1200 BR FEW001 M01/M01 Q1007 AMB TEMPO 0400 FG BKN001 RED=
EGVN 150250Z 31003KT 0600 FZFG BKN000 M01/M01 Q1007 TEMPO 1200 VCFG FEW001=
EGVN 150250Z 31003KT 0600 FZFG BKN000 M01/M01 Q1007 RED TEMPO 1200 VCFG FEW001 AMB=
EGVN 150157Z 23002KT 0400 FG BKN001 01/00 Q1007 RED TEMPO 1200
VCFG FEW001 AMB=
EGVN 150150Z 17002KT 1200 VCFG SKC 01/01 Q1007 AMB TEMPO 0500
FG RED=
EGVN 150150Z 17002KT 1200 VCFG SKC 01/01 Q1007 TEMPO 0500 FG=
EGVN 150126Z 26003KT 2400 MIFG SKC 01/00 Q1006 YLO2 TEMPO 1200 VCFG AMB=
EGVN 150050Z 28003KT 3500 MIFG SKC 02/01 Q1006 BECMG 2000=
EGVN 150050Z 28003KT 3500 MIFG SKC 02/01 Q1006 YLO1 BECMG 2000 YLO2=
There, is that enough for you?
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Old 15th Nov 2010, 17:39
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I am guessing your next question will be about the METARs at EGDL......?

The age-old advantage of being on a hill........
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It's the 'Foggy Fortnight'. It happens every year since time began at BZN.

The real question is: "What's the Future Brize contingency for when it happens again?"

How about: "Open the bar" ?
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Old 15th Nov 2010, 18:17
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Oh purlease! I also remember spending many a night shift at Brize handling Hercs that couldn't get into their homebase due to weather. Indeed, you gits interrupted a very fine New Years Day night because your weather was crap and you had a major power failure, again.
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Taking off is the easy bit

Taxiing around is the hard part and only to get worse with from OCt next year

What no pushback 'cause a J's just started up on Bay 52 etc,,, can't wait!
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Be sooner than that mate. C130 maintenance starts at BZN from 31 Mar 2011 and all C130s scheduled to be based there from June.

ABTE
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Be sooner than that mate. C130 maintenance starts at BZN from 31 Mar 2011
Exactly, and you wouldnt want to be conducting any maintenance in Fog would you
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Of course, if they were to invest in a true all-weather capability, such weather wouldn't be a problem (Cat 3B ILS, min RVR 75m, no DH).

And you could save money by disestablishing the talkdown controllers.

Oh, sorry, I used the 'I' word...
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Don't get me started on 2 Gp's inability to embrace AWOPs......

From one who has: sat in the hold at Brize on Xmas Eve (from ASI) only to end up in Manch (to quote but one example of a myriad of fog-based diversions from BZZ); operated to CAT 3B in A.N. Other miltary's aircraft; and now sees AWOPs as really the rather easy option when it starts to get a bit scoshy (is that how you spell it; I've never really thought about it).

How I chuckled/grimaced in the LAM hold earlier when looking up the weather in Mrs Driver's backyard (so to speak) and thought of all those poor sods delayed or diverted due to the lack of a decent transmissometer, a suitable met conversion chart or, God forbid, a CAT II ILS. Or have things changed?
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Old 15th Nov 2010, 23:30
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The fact that we're only going to have ONE (almost but but not quite) optimal runway alarms me the most...

Lets see what this Brize Tac teaches us... Never mind crossing fingers, i've tied everything in a knot to prevent a black runway this time!
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To add to my incredulity....why the f*** are they not reporting RVRs? A met vis of 200m is not legal for an approach (or never used to be), but may well translate into an RVR of 550m. Why oh why.....

Or did that conversion chart finally make it into GASOs?
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In my time at Brize, I don't ever recall RVR being used. Any other Brize-ites care to comment?
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It's okay because everything diverted to LYE........

How much will the MOD pay in landing fees to Manchester, East Midlands et al come 2 Sep 2011?

More importantly - the pax will love the drive to BZN after a 7 hour flight out of theatre

Brilliant
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I thought that the plan was to use Yeovilton as the diversion.
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Regarding a Cat III ILS, I understand that, after a huge amount of money had been spent in the mid-90s to realign the northern road and move it further from the RW, they discovered that it was impossible to improve the ILS beyond Cat I due to the terrain in the approach domain. In particular, the effect of Lew Hill. The northern road move was supposed to have been one of the precursors to a Cat II or Cat III installation......

Of course the ILS on RW08 has alaways had a kink in the glideslope which rules it out for autocoupled approaches....
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2 C17's and a Tristar overnighted at Civil airports last night due fog at sunny Brize
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In my time at Brize, I don't ever recall RVR being used. Any other Brize-ites care to comment?
Back in the mid-late 80s I wasted far too many hours of my life counting lights from the RVR tower at Brize. You either froze or turned the heater on and dealt with the insect infestation. It was almost as much fun as doing a mu-meter run.
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Climebear, did we have a knee trembler together in the 26 RVR one 80s night?
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