Can someone explain why the MRA4 has been cancelled before we screw up big time.
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I suggest you do some research on where Pumas are, and more importantly aren't, operating - then you can destroy your own arguement rather than have someone do it for you!
I suggest you do some research on where Pumas are, and more importantly aren't, operating - then you can destroy your own arguement rather than have someone do it for you!
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RAF News, March 2010
A quote from the article explaining what they were doing in Kenya....
Biggus, if you are going to spend your time insisting on factual content, then none of these endless round-in-circles arguments is ever going to finish.....
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In addition, should the Puma be deployed on operations in Afghanistan in the future then the Puma Force will be ready-prepared for the challenges there.”
Biggus, if you are going to spend your time insisting on factual content, then none of these endless round-in-circles arguments is ever going to finish.....
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MRA4 demise revisited
So...for all of you who think the demise of the MRA4 was not about politics......and before anyone says otherwise, it is clear that CAS did not want to lose the capability; therefore, it is also clear that this was a purely political decision.
Moving on; Ensure RAF Kinloss is linked exclusively with MRA4 so that the Govt can close the base irrespective of the viability of the real estate....in the process, let us not consider if UK PLC could place several FJ Sqns in there.......and as a bonus.......upset the locals and Scotland in general.....then suggest Lossie might (potentially) be next....wait and see if SNP increase their vote in the May elections,.......if they do........it must mean that Scotland is officially a lost cause for the Tories, Labour and LD.......next...... how about a vote on independence so that we can ensure Scotland does not influence the make up of the Govt at Westminster for the forseeable future.......
So who thinks Lossie or Leuchars will survive now........come on......balls on the line?............1 or both bases to close
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Moving on; Ensure RAF Kinloss is linked exclusively with MRA4 so that the Govt can close the base irrespective of the viability of the real estate....in the process, let us not consider if UK PLC could place several FJ Sqns in there.......and as a bonus.......upset the locals and Scotland in general.....then suggest Lossie might (potentially) be next....wait and see if SNP increase their vote in the May elections,.......if they do........it must mean that Scotland is officially a lost cause for the Tories, Labour and LD.......next...... how about a vote on independence so that we can ensure Scotland does not influence the make up of the Govt at Westminster for the forseeable future.......
So who thinks Lossie or Leuchars will survive now........come on......balls on the line?............1 or both bases to close
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I think you will find that the demise of MRA4 was the result of the incoming Government becoming aware of the true state of the Nations finances coupled with the knowledge that the number of people qualifying for the State Old Age Pension in this financial year and the next is assessed as 1,464,000 people. That large number being the result of the demobilisation of Servicemen after 6 long years of War.
With the Basic State Pension set at £102.15 per week HMG will have to find £149,547,600 per week - or if you prefer £7,776,475,200 per annum -just to meet that obligation.
I think you will find that the demise of MRA4 was the result of the incoming Government becoming aware of the true state of the Nations finances coupled with the knowledge that the number of people qualifying for the State Old Age Pension in this financial year and the next is assessed as 1,464,000 people. That large number being the result of the demobilisation of Servicemen after 6 long years of War.
With the Basic State Pension set at £102.15 per week HMG will have to find £149,547,600 per week - or if you prefer £7,776,475,200 per annum -just to meet that obligation.
Anyone who wasn't wearing maritime tinted spectacles must have questioned the long term viability of Kinloss once the MRA4 order was cut to 9 aircraft.
The idea that the RAF would cram 70 odd aircraft (25 C-130J, 25 A400M, 14FSTA, 6 C-17) into Brize Norton (a situation that no doubt will have its own problems) but be content with all that "real estate" at Kinloss only being used for 9 MRA4 was never going to hold water.
As for Lossie, Leuchars, etc...no doubt the landslide win by the SNP and the prospect on a referendum on Scottish independence was all part of a Tory plot to ensure the demise of the MRA4 and the closure of Kinloss....
The idea that the RAF would cram 70 odd aircraft (25 C-130J, 25 A400M, 14FSTA, 6 C-17) into Brize Norton (a situation that no doubt will have its own problems) but be content with all that "real estate" at Kinloss only being used for 9 MRA4 was never going to hold water.
As for Lossie, Leuchars, etc...no doubt the landslide win by the SNP and the prospect on a referendum on Scottish independence was all part of a Tory plot to ensure the demise of the MRA4 and the closure of Kinloss....
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Perhaps basing our repatriated Reapers and other UAVs at Kinloss may have helped with future justification.....they have to go somewhere relatively safe in terms of min risk to the population.....but then perhaps they'll just be mothballed... :-(
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I don't think defence forces bases figure very highly in the SNP agenda; they probably recognise that they couldn't run their own RN,RM, Army, RAF and SF.
So if they decide to remove themselves from the union they would probably decide to retain a joint defence force with the rest of the UK.
Also they would probably want to retain the jobs, commercial and financial benefits to the Scottish communities close to the bases (not just RAF but RN, RM, Army and SF).
Message is - Scottish independence probably wouldn't affect the defence community.
Best wishes SOS
So if they decide to remove themselves from the union they would probably decide to retain a joint defence force with the rest of the UK.
Also they would probably want to retain the jobs, commercial and financial benefits to the Scottish communities close to the bases (not just RAF but RN, RM, Army and SF).
Message is - Scottish independence probably wouldn't affect the defence community.
Best wishes SOS
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SOSL....2 aspects that might be affected....SNP is avowed anti-deterrent...so much argy bargy re Faslane might be in prospect, and of course the Scottish LFA is probably some of the best low flying training around.....so their view on that might not be helpful either....but then we are all jumping the gun a bit.....the Scottish people are wise enough to make the right decision methinks. 
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Scottish base closures
K Flap et al.......For whatever reason the MRA4 has gone to meet it's maker, it's no more, it's deed and I totally accept that fact, trust me.
I am mearly speculating that we now have a situation, whether expected or manufactured, that is even more politically conducive to base closures in Scotland. I sincerely hope I am wrong about Lossie in particular and/or Leuchars, but closing one or both will certainly do less harm to the current Govt than closing a couple in Englandshire. It all sounds very Machiavellian I know, but there seems to be no other good reason for linking Kinloss exclusively with the MRA4. I believe you will struggle to find a base that is better provisioned in respect of real estate, facilities, location and weather suitable for aviation. Moreover, I don't believe any of the high paid help(sic) who visited Kinloss post SDSR answered the question about linkage and appeared totally stumped by the decision to close Kinloss too. However, lets be positive and hope the basing study decision surprises us all in June, and Lossie and Leuchars remain on the map............as RAF bases.
I am mearly speculating that we now have a situation, whether expected or manufactured, that is even more politically conducive to base closures in Scotland. I sincerely hope I am wrong about Lossie in particular and/or Leuchars, but closing one or both will certainly do less harm to the current Govt than closing a couple in Englandshire. It all sounds very Machiavellian I know, but there seems to be no other good reason for linking Kinloss exclusively with the MRA4. I believe you will struggle to find a base that is better provisioned in respect of real estate, facilities, location and weather suitable for aviation. Moreover, I don't believe any of the high paid help(sic) who visited Kinloss post SDSR answered the question about linkage and appeared totally stumped by the decision to close Kinloss too. However, lets be positive and hope the basing study decision surprises us all in June, and Lossie and Leuchars remain on the map............as RAF bases.
