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Can someone explain why the MRA4 has been cancelled before we screw up big time.

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Can someone explain why the MRA4 has been cancelled before we screw up big time.

Old 25th Jan 2011, 19:00
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MoD says we will be fine

An MoD spokesperson has apparently allayed all our fears with this well prepared statement when pressed on how we will fill the capability gap due to the demise of the UK LRMPA.
Apparently: “We will continue joint maritime patrol activities with our allies and will ensure the integrity of UK waters by utilising a range of other military assets, including Type 23 Frigates, Merlin Anti Submarine Warfare helicopters and Hercules C-130 aircraft,".

In the immortal words of Mr William Connolly………Oh you think so!

I still hope we can get some inside photos of the orchestrated act of vandalism. So when the integrity of UK waters is not maintained by the platforms mentioned we can remind people what the Govt actually sanctioned. Notwithstanding the undoubted specialist ability and track record of the C-130, T-23 and Merlin, these platforms will quite clearly not fill the gap left by the loss of the MRA4.

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Old 27th Jan 2011, 07:21
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Better late than never !

A quote in the Telegraph on the day we started to destroy them:

Scrapping the RAF's £4bn Nimrod fleet 'risks UK security'

The scrapping of the RAF’s £4 billion fleet of Nimrod surveillance aircraft will create a “massive security gap”, the country’s leading military figures have warned.

No shit

Just a pity that some gentlemen with a little more clout who aren't retired (just yet) didn't stand up and comment when the opportunity was there. The silence from those within appeased and by default condoned a Govt decision that is dangerous. And it is because it is dangerous and risks UK security that these serving VSOs and senior CS within MoD should have broken ranks and made their views public.

Too late now; let's just wait until their autobographies hit the street I suppose.


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Old 27th Jan 2011, 07:52
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Well those Gentlemen with the clout to which you refer are apparently quite happy that the correct balance has been struck etc etc!

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Old 27th Jan 2011, 10:31
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My final words

I've just received this from an ex crew chief mate, now retired near to EGQK.

I couldn't put it better myself.

End of an Era




We gather in these hallowed halls and remember times now past.
The laughs we shared, and the gallant deeds; but now the die is cast.
For the MOD and Air Command and a government coalition,
Has axed our fleet and closed our base, but will rue this daft decision.


For it makes no sense to us at all, for on this island nation.
No long range airborne maritime force is a military abomination.
But we should not lie and lick our wounds, and fade into the night.
For what Kinloss now needs of us, that we may serve her right.


Is to celebrate her glorious past, and all that we’ve endured.
For overland, and over seas we kept this land secured.
And remember all of those who came, and ran with us this course,
All those who served and those who died, with honour on this force.


Though politics and budgets cuts have torn this fleet asunder,
We’ll fondly bid farewell Kinloss, and to the mighty hunter.
And tirelessly we’ll work away, with emotional reserves.
To close her down with dignity; it’s the least that she deserves.


The die is cast; the decision made; twas others who sealed our fate.
They’ll come to rue their big mistake, but sadly all too late.
So we’ll say to those in their ivory towers, who presided o’er this farce.
Ye can take yer Strategic Defence Review and shove it up yer *rse.
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 11:35
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Fincastle 84,

That is brilliant!

And so true.
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 12:33
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Thanks Fin.

That clouded my vision for a moment or twain, so to restore it, I had to broach a bottle of Single Malt.

Slanje!

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Old 27th Jan 2011, 13:40
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Can the ex crew chief be named? Ask him, he should be credited for that wonderful poem.
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 13:57
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We will continue joint maritime patrol activities with our allies and will ensure the integrity of UK waters by utilising a range of other military assets, including Type 23 Frigates, Merlin Anti Submarine Warfare helicopters and Hercules C-130 aircraft,".
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Don't the relatively new Bombardier Sentinels based at RAF Waddington perform a similar function to the scrapped Nimrods?
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 18:45
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I've just received this from an ex crew chief mate, now retired near to EGQK.

I couldn't put it better myself.

End of an Era
Brilliant and sadly accurate summation of a dire situation.

Perhaps the MP for the relevant constituency could be persuaded to read it out in the House of Commons?
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Don't the relatively new Bombardier Sentinels based at RAF Waddington perform a similar function to the scrapped Nimrods?
Er, no, and....

The UK government's Strategic Defence and Security Review announced its intention to "withdraw the Sentinel airborne ground surveillance aircraft once it is no longer required to support operations in Afghanistan
Nice

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Old 27th Jan 2011, 19:51
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I'm not sure that the author of the poem above ever attained the skill level required to be a crew chief on the Mighty Hunter - he was OC Eng Wg!

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Old 27th Jan 2011, 20:22
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Hi Duncs.

I didn't say that my mate was the author, just the conduit!

A sad day in military history, the death of MPA in the history of the RAF.
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Fin,

I know. Scuttled assumed that it was; I was just trying to clarify.

Incidentally, it was met with a standing ovation!

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A little darker

Be Gone!… Be Gone!… Foul Nimrod All…
The Great and Good … Besmirch thou Fall
British aircraft industry …that walked so tall…
Thy maker’s stink doth cover all.
Thou Hated Trespasser ….Thou Beast of ill …
thy swindling ways…doth capability kill.
Ye shall not stay! …. nor rule our day!…
for Spring doth come to tame.
And Scavenger shall follow quickly… to end your frost filled reign.

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Old 27th Jan 2011, 22:10
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I'm sure you will be heart-broken to know that I am adding you to my Ignore list.

May I suggest that anyone else who no longer wishes to listen to the drivelling idiot (ideal candidate for future Chief of the Air Staff if you ask me) does the same?
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 22:49
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If you are genuinely suggesting that the paper programme currently called Scavenger can get close to replacing the MRA4's capability (or for that matter MR2's capability) you are:

a. T** Mc****
b. A BWoS senior neddy
c. Deluded
d. Living in cloud cuckoo land
e. All of the above

Not before 2030 (at the earliest). And not without a massive financial injection. UAVs are not the panacea that some of the senior airships think they are. They appear to be guilty of being seduced by the unproven, untested, in fact not yet designed, shiny, shiny.
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 22:57
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Aren't all new bits of kit shiny and unproven?

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I don't know, you (ex) kipper mates are such easy bait...
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 00:29
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You can see the Nimrods beeing scrapped at BBC. Must be a sad sight for all spending a good deal of energy and their life with those legendary machines.. Treasure the memories, books, youtubes and your collegeas will stay.


BBC News - Nimrod aircraft scrapped at Stockport BAE factory
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