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Old 19th Oct 2010, 09:13
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The problem with BRNC is that it is a Grade 2* listed building and the insides can't be touched.....not many hotels would want 200+ 8'x10' rooms!!
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 09:44
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The problem with BRNC is that it is a Grade 2* listed building and the insides can't be touched.....not many hotels would want 200+ 8'x10' rooms!!
Sorry not true.

Listing simply means that changes to a building are subject to control through the planning system. The council as planning authority will give approval for works only if it is satisfied that these are compatible with the special interest of the building. Others may be involved in this decision, including English Heritage and the DCMS for the higher graded buildings. It is up to the applicant for listed building consent to make out the case for change. There are many examples of listed buildings that have undergone major alterations because the local Council has supported the need for them to play a new role if they are to survive.
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 09:49
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wonder if there will be a joint tech college and officer training centre at St Athan?
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 10:24
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Could it be that RN Officer training has been 'out-sourced' to, say, India?
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 10:30
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The problem with BRNC is that it is a Grade 2* listed building and the insides can't be touched.....not many hotels would want 200+ 8'x10' rooms!!
As above, not true. The planners/conservation officers would seek to maintain the facade and key interior features/spaces (Chapel, Quarterdeck etc) but all the accommodation floors would be fair game for changes.

Admiral of the Fleet Sir Caspar John must be turning in his grave - no way would CJH survive a developer's demolition hammer.
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 11:14
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If we accept its closure as a given, then the concern will be to develop the existing buildings in an appropriate way.

I note with some amusement that the patron of the Britannia Association is none other than the Prince of Wales!!!

The media are going to have a field day with this one as Charles wades in during the planning application phase - attacking everything he disapproves of and vetting every window frame and door handle

This place is very special to many of us and to the Prince it has personal connections with himself, his father, his uncle Louis, his brother and his son (I think? Even his mum is reputed to have first met his dad during a College visit in 1939 !

I for one would not be averse to living out my days in a pleasant Dart view apartment at "The Britannia" or whatever the marketing people will call it

I think however I might need a giant Stannah Stairlift to get to from Sand Quay!

How about BRNC OUTs being offered first preference or a discount
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 16:53
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No mention of BRNC closing in this afternoon's announcement?
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 19:21
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BRNC Dartmouth would appear to be safe

Quoted from South Devon news, sport and entertainment | This Is South Devon

"Yes, well as Sarah Wollaston has said, after a meeting with Liam Fox, Dartmouth is safe. So this is a no story basically. I don't know why she is scare mungaring to be honest".

THE closure of Britannia Royal Naval College in Dartmouth would be devastating for the town, says Totnes MP Sarah Wollaston.
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 07:46
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Airborne Artist said
I was in Blake from April 78 to December of that year.
My father was a 13 y/o entry in 1947, in Hawke. His entry was joined by the first of the 16 y/o entry, and 18 y/o entry was well, and I think not long after he entered BRNC they finished the 13 y/o entry for ever.


My Dad was a Blake, entering as a 13 y/o in 1933 or 1934.
He will be 90 in December and is, I'm afraid, the last man standing of his class, which was, umm, rather depleted by the war.
He started his combat service as an Observer in Swordfish, and shortly before he retired got to ride as GIB on a Phantom. From 120 kts downhill with a tail wind to Mach 2 in one career
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 09:41
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Good news - The Sunday Times and Telegraph got it wrong. Very unusual for the latter when it comes to defence matters?

BRNC lives on. . . . . . for now
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Old 23rd Oct 2010, 18:36
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Blake Division (after Op Holdover in 1985) from September 1985 to December 1986. Close Dartmouth? Is nothing sacred? Even the suggestion is appalling!
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Old 23rd Oct 2010, 18:56
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Shame I didn't see this earlier, i'm currently in Ark Royal Division - the older amongst you will know it as the BRNC Flight - and could have told you it wouldn't be closing. They've just built a new high ropes course up by the lower playing field, and have plans to build 6x new messes each to house an entire Division, like D93 ("the zoo") does nowadays.
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Old 23rd Oct 2010, 19:13
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They've just built a new high ropes course up by the lower playing field, and have plans to build 6x new messes each to house an entire Division, like D93 ("the zoo") does nowadays.
YD - you have a lot to learn. The RAF never closes an airfield unless the runways have just been re-surfaced, the messes re-furbished, and the gym brought up to date.
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Old 23rd Oct 2010, 19:20
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st athans is dead and gone. The money that foreign students and the prestige that their governments appropriate be to BRNC will be one hell of an argument to keep the place running. Very cheap considering the influence around the world it gives UK PLC
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Old 23rd Oct 2010, 19:46
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Good point from airborne artist.
Fine example was the huge new accommodation building project at Portland Naval Base in the late 80s. That didn't last too long before the axe fell.

Heard its all been converted to appartments now and will be used for 2012 Olympics yachty goings on?
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Old 23rd Oct 2010, 20:40
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Gryphon - the next intake (jan) will be 40 British cadets and 60 internationals. Plus we have two divisions from the Saudi Navy on a different bespoke course running simultaneously.

We were told 1 Int cadet pays for 5 of us
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 04:11
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Good God Man. Keep it quiet, it Whitehall knows we're in profit it'll be the end of us
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 06:16
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With the possible exception of the House of Saud, very few governments are totally safe, so the income from foreign cadets isn't very easy to forecast. I often wonder how many of the Iranian OUTs at BRNC in the late 70s kept their heads post-revolution - they'd been paying for the place at the time.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 09:05
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Cool

As it was in the 60's: we had quite a few Internationals, the most noteworthy in Grenville Division 1967 was a Trinidad & Tobago Coastguard cadet with whom I shared a cabin. When selecting cadets for the inter divisional sports the call went around for a javelin thrower; his response......

"Throw the javelin? I can hit a white man at a hundred paces!"
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 09:56
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"Throw the javelin? I can hit a white man at a hundred paces!"
Brilliant!

In the summer of 69 (hmmm, I'm sure there's a song in there somewhere . ..)

. . . I shared my cabin with a Nigerian cadet - Lucas Marasambo Lenjo, who had similar attributes !

Genuinely in the dark, I could only see his eyes and his teeth - it was something we used to laugh about - I was easy to spot!!!
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