Samsonite suitcases banned!
And the good thing to come out of this pointless,petty and childish dick measuring exchange is......................
Anybody?
Anybody?
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Excuse my ignorance but how closely related were JATE and the 'Flt'?...and was it a JATE or 'Flt' crew which had an incident a while back involving a landrover, a trooper, a tailgate and ultra-low level. Just curious is all...?
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In order:
I'm enjoying it.
It has stopped us slagging off a serving RAF Officer, whose identity is obvious.
It has stopped us slagging off two organisations whose names don't deserve to be dragged through the mud or whose reputations impugned in public.
Instead, we're now slagging off a former serving officer, who has sullied his own reputation. And he once said I smelt of poo.
The last bit wasn't true ...
In order:
I'm enjoying it.
It has stopped us slagging off a serving RAF Officer, whose identity is obvious.
It has stopped us slagging off two organisations whose names don't deserve to be dragged through the mud or whose reputations impugned in public.
Instead, we're now slagging off a former serving officer, who has sullied his own reputation. And he once said I smelt of poo.
The last bit wasn't true ...
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Oh...just idly wondering if the TTPs and airmanship demonstrated in that incident had any crossover onto the Flt - as in people, attitudes, SOPs, atmos...that type of thing.
As they weren't connected I'm obviously barking up the wrong tree.
Thanks for clearing that one up for us.
Cheers!
As they weren't connected I'm obviously barking up the wrong tree.
Thanks for clearing that one up for us.
Cheers!
Officers, the world just wouldn't be the same without them would it?
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Oh, I love a good slanging match... 
vernon, there's an answer - do what I once had to do with my flight case when some idiot - mentioning no names, Mr. Davidson - yes, you sir! - changed the combination by playing with it.
You sit down quietly in front of a good film on the telly and steadily go from 0000 towards 9999 until you get it.
function testCombo() {
if {lock.function = = "open";
return(success);
}
number = number+1
}
Simples!
vernon, there's an answer - do what I once had to do with my flight case when some idiot - mentioning no names, Mr. Davidson - yes, you sir! - changed the combination by playing with it.
You sit down quietly in front of a good film on the telly and steadily go from 0000 towards 9999 until you get it.
function testCombo() {
if {lock.function = = "open";
return(success);
}
number = number+1
}
Simples!
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Well at least this makes a change from the normal Lyneham bleatings of my J is better than your K and my position on the flight deck is far more important than any of yours and movers are rubbish, etc, etc...
Listening to all this is providing us non Samsonite owning operators the biggest giggle since hearing about the C-130 Kenyan free-fall parachute team.
Please, please keep going.......and all you SF Flt boys do feel free to contribute to the "No - really - I wasn't chopped - honestly!" thread
Listening to all this is providing us non Samsonite owning operators the biggest giggle since hearing about the C-130 Kenyan free-fall parachute team.
Please, please keep going.......and all you SF Flt boys do feel free to contribute to the "No - really - I wasn't chopped - honestly!" thread
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A couple of years ago I messed up the combination for my brief case by playing with about with the lock.
I 'phoned the company and they told me how to open it without knowing the number !
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Maybe so - but a large proportion of engineer's training is how much force to use on which size combination of hammer and GS to achieve your aim.
Still a public handbag fight is always a laugh.
Yon Billy Staish comes across as either a total gimp or a top bloke - never met him so can't say. As with all these things I shall vote for top bloke until proved different
Still a public handbag fight is always a laugh.
Yon Billy Staish comes across as either a total gimp or a top bloke - never met him so can't say. As with all these things I shall vote for top bloke until proved different
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I am curious at your very public defending Equiv, especially as you firmly believe that the crew of XV179 should never have been operating day low level on that fateful day. Which brings me back to two of the consequences of the crash. Which were:
a. Day low level ceased,
b. Suppressant foam procured for the Hercules fleet.
So, how come the crew were down there on that day?
Well, I have had a trawl through the evidence at the inquest. The Flt Cdr makes it clear that he carried out his own risk assessment in both Afg and Iraq in which he personally decided it was appropriate to fly day low level. He did not seek recourse to the advice and guidance of AWC.
"Have you ever discussed this aspect of day low level with AWC? "
Witness "No, no need to."
He did not seek guidance from his chain of command,
Coll "Did the chain approve your day Low Level assessment?"
Witness "I didn’t need to consult them - had all the necessary op info at my fingertips."
He was asked why it was that US forces (all having the protection of foam), refused to fly day low level in Afg, (at this time), but the Coroner would not allow an answer in open court. There was no suggestion that he consulted his American colleagues about their risk assessment, nor the fact that they wouldn't even have gone in theatre without foam. In fact the advice of a serving American pilot on the section was ignored.
He was not aware of the incident involving Harley 37, a Talon, hammered with AAA but ultimately surviving a far worse attack because of ESF. But he was asked this question;
"Would your risk assessment have been assisted by knowledge of US37 Herc."
Witness "No."
When does a commitment to the job in hand become something else? Something that could be considered reckless, earning cudos to the section and the leadership, but placing the lives of those doing the job at great risk? It would appear, that this is what happened on the flight. There was absolutely no scrutiny. A complete failure of the CoC. There was little evidence of formal risk assessment procedures in place to competently assess risk. In fact there was a an apparent refusal to even listen to best practice advice from AWC.(Esp with new equipment). I am not surprised the flight no longer exists as a separate identity. I take nothing away from the people who risked their lives on that section, but the leadership was "jaw dropping" in too many ways.
If the decision to fly day low level was indeed sound judgement by the leadership, day low level would have continued and there would have been no UOR for the aircraft to have been equipped with ESF in the aftermath of the crash.
(Quotes not necessarily verbatim)
a. Day low level ceased,
b. Suppressant foam procured for the Hercules fleet.
So, how come the crew were down there on that day?
Well, I have had a trawl through the evidence at the inquest. The Flt Cdr makes it clear that he carried out his own risk assessment in both Afg and Iraq in which he personally decided it was appropriate to fly day low level. He did not seek recourse to the advice and guidance of AWC.
"Have you ever discussed this aspect of day low level with AWC? "
Witness "No, no need to."
He did not seek guidance from his chain of command,
Coll "Did the chain approve your day Low Level assessment?"
Witness "I didn’t need to consult them - had all the necessary op info at my fingertips."
He was asked why it was that US forces (all having the protection of foam), refused to fly day low level in Afg, (at this time), but the Coroner would not allow an answer in open court. There was no suggestion that he consulted his American colleagues about their risk assessment, nor the fact that they wouldn't even have gone in theatre without foam. In fact the advice of a serving American pilot on the section was ignored.
He was not aware of the incident involving Harley 37, a Talon, hammered with AAA but ultimately surviving a far worse attack because of ESF. But he was asked this question;
"Would your risk assessment have been assisted by knowledge of US37 Herc."
Witness "No."
When does a commitment to the job in hand become something else? Something that could be considered reckless, earning cudos to the section and the leadership, but placing the lives of those doing the job at great risk? It would appear, that this is what happened on the flight. There was absolutely no scrutiny. A complete failure of the CoC. There was little evidence of formal risk assessment procedures in place to competently assess risk. In fact there was a an apparent refusal to even listen to best practice advice from AWC.(Esp with new equipment). I am not surprised the flight no longer exists as a separate identity. I take nothing away from the people who risked their lives on that section, but the leadership was "jaw dropping" in too many ways.
If the decision to fly day low level was indeed sound judgement by the leadership, day low level would have continued and there would have been no UOR for the aircraft to have been equipped with ESF in the aftermath of the crash.
(Quotes not necessarily verbatim)
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I knew Gary Nic quite well, in fact help train him at 6FTS and met him again on 47 Main.
My feelings about all that I've read above (that doesn't involve Samsonites) is a sadness.
There is undoubtedly a line between gung-ho/can do and using all aids available to make safety a top concern. Sadly it's all interpreted by where you are looking at it from.
I guested with SF on a couple of occasions and was struck by the can-do attitude, when does this attitude become 'recklessness'?
I don't know.
But I salute all of you who DO know. I live in a world of varying shades of grey, but many of you live in blacks and whites. Good luck, it must be nice to have the wisdom of Solomon. I'm afraid I just don't have that.
I'm sad for Gary and his work-mates, more-so for the families and colleagues.
Tearing each other to pieces here really doesn't further anyone's cause . . . does it? Perhaps it does - but it does smack of the exercising of egoes.
My feelings about all that I've read above (that doesn't involve Samsonites) is a sadness.
There is undoubtedly a line between gung-ho/can do and using all aids available to make safety a top concern. Sadly it's all interpreted by where you are looking at it from.
I guested with SF on a couple of occasions and was struck by the can-do attitude, when does this attitude become 'recklessness'?
I don't know.
But I salute all of you who DO know. I live in a world of varying shades of grey, but many of you live in blacks and whites. Good luck, it must be nice to have the wisdom of Solomon. I'm afraid I just don't have that.
I'm sad for Gary and his work-mates, more-so for the families and colleagues.
Tearing each other to pieces here really doesn't further anyone's cause . . . does it? Perhaps it does - but it does smack of the exercising of egoes.
Champagne anyone...?
NG
Could I suggest you take your personal vendetta against JG elsewhere? He lives nearby - why not pop round and express your opinions face to face rather than continually churning out the same old tired stuff on here?
Could I suggest you take your personal vendetta against JG elsewhere? He lives nearby - why not pop round and express your opinions face to face rather than continually churning out the same old tired stuff on here?
