F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
MSOCS, do you seriously want to get your credibility down to a1bill level?
"The program" did not "wisely" curtail the 2014 trip. They were hot to trot until the last moment...
F-35s Will Not Fly At Air Tattoo; Farnborough Appearance In Jeopardy | Defense content from Aviation Week
...until Navair put the brakes on.
RPT-UPDATE 2-U.S. Navy maintains grounding order for F-35 fighter jets | Reuters
These facts are all public record. Why do you (with all your supposed clearances and stuff) think you can get away with a different narrative?
LynehamLad - OK story, but the headline should have "says program manager" after it, since not one of the hereinbeforementioned "customers" is actually quoted in it.
"The program" did not "wisely" curtail the 2014 trip. They were hot to trot until the last moment...
F-35s Will Not Fly At Air Tattoo; Farnborough Appearance In Jeopardy | Defense content from Aviation Week
...until Navair put the brakes on.
RPT-UPDATE 2-U.S. Navy maintains grounding order for F-35 fighter jets | Reuters
These facts are all public record. Why do you (with all your supposed clearances and stuff) think you can get away with a different narrative?
LynehamLad - OK story, but the headline should have "says program manager" after it, since not one of the hereinbeforementioned "customers" is actually quoted in it.
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LO,
I do apologise old chap. My reply to PhilG was expeditious. I meant to say "Services" not Program. That was an honest misuse of terms; though the Program DID provide technical advice as the situation went on.
As for your other points, think what you want. I have never confirmed any of your suspicions, and nor will I. Your bullish tone is pretty tiresome and patronising.
Out.
I do apologise old chap. My reply to PhilG was expeditious. I meant to say "Services" not Program. That was an honest misuse of terms; though the Program DID provide technical advice as the situation went on.
As for your other points, think what you want. I have never confirmed any of your suspicions, and nor will I. Your bullish tone is pretty tiresome and patronising.
Out.
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LO : MSOCS, do you seriously want to get your credibility down to a1bill level?
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Take a massive Lemsip and a nap LO.
Given the heat that the Program (and I do mean that term) was under following the engine issue, the JPO were working WITH the Services (US NAVAIR, USMC and UK) to make the RIAT and Farnborough 14 event happen as much as possible. In that regard, I'd point out that it is considered a very military thing to work to the objective until the point of no return, then decide. You saw that played out in the press. That decision was, ultimately, called, following more question and answer sessions, technical advice and deliberations than you could imagine. It was a wise call and one made in consultation with ALL involved parties, not solely NAVAIR even though they were the ultimate voice.
I've also heard Echinacea shows positive benefits to getting over a cold....
I really do love our little talks.
Given the heat that the Program (and I do mean that term) was under following the engine issue, the JPO were working WITH the Services (US NAVAIR, USMC and UK) to make the RIAT and Farnborough 14 event happen as much as possible. In that regard, I'd point out that it is considered a very military thing to work to the objective until the point of no return, then decide. You saw that played out in the press. That decision was, ultimately, called, following more question and answer sessions, technical advice and deliberations than you could imagine. It was a wise call and one made in consultation with ALL involved parties, not solely NAVAIR even though they were the ultimate voice.
I've also heard Echinacea shows positive benefits to getting over a cold....
I really do love our little talks.
Seriously, a1bill.... Who was crowing over the 31 "extra" Navy jets in PB17, which was in fact the reversal of a staggering cutback in the (never published or reported) POM? Who was blithely dismissing the idea that the USAF might have a big cutback in PB17 and move the money into F-15s and F-16s?
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Ken, if you can, get of your pinto and start thinking what people are trying (however obliquely) to tell you.
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LO,
I do apologise old chap. My reply to PhilG was expeditious. I meant to say "Services" not Program. That was an honest misuse of terms; though the Program DID provide technical advice as the situation went on.
As for your other points, think what you want. I have never confirmed any of your suspicions, and nor will I. Your bullish tone is pretty tiresome and patronising.
Out.
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Seriously, a1bill.... Who was crowing over the 31 "extra" Navy jets in PB17, which was in fact the reversal of a staggering cutback in the (never published or reported) POM? Who was blithely dismissing the idea that the USAF might have a big cutback in PB17 and move the money into F-15s and F-16s?
re the teens, what are you on about, are you trying to say upgrade plans a new thing? There is a total defence money budget cut, You are welcome to post how money has been moved. I would be interested to read it.
Meanwhile in the real world
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Maus92 : Nobody is trumpeting the Italian F-35A crossing the Atlantic?
Ninja Discusses His F-35 Flight Across the Atlantic: The Right Stuff Italian Style | SLDInfo
NINJA DISCUSSES HIS F-35 FLIGHT ACROSS THE ATLANTIC: THE RIGHT STUFF ITALIAN STYLE
"2016-02-08 On Feb. 5, the Italian Air Force’s first F-35, AL-1 with code “32-01” and markings of the 32 Stormo Wing landed at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, at the end of the JSF’s first ever transatlantic flight.
The aircraft was piloted by “Ninja,”an Italian Air Force test pilot, belonging to the Reparto Sperimentale Volo (Test Wing) from Pratica di Mare, and who had successfully completed his initial F-35 flight training at Luke AFB in November 2015.
To put this in perspective, the pilot had only 50 flight hours of F-35 flying experience.
And the Lightning II which Ninja flew across the North Atlantic in winter had only 15 flight hours on before he took off on his historic flight. 32-01was the first plane to came off of the Italian assembly line at Cameri Italy.
And this was done in the middle of winter, flying in and out of cloud layers over the turbulent North Atlantic against 120-knot headwinds....
...Question: You flew in formation and through heavy clouds, we understand?
Answer: We had four aircraft total; and kept tight formation; and refueled in the clouds as well. We had two C-130s just in the case; the tanker, a Typhoon headed to Red Flag and the F-35.
Question: So you were in a new aircraft, single engine, flying in the middle of winter across the North Atlantic in heavy headwinds?
Answer: That characterizes it.
Question: Did you hand fly the plane to stay in formation?
Answer: The plane is very reliable, and I hand flew some times, but auto pilot handled a great deal of the flight.
Question: What about the air refueling events?
Answer: We had 100% success even in the clouds; the big thing here is that the plane is very stable and reliable with no problems. We had no disconnections; the F-35 is a very stable airplane....
...Question: When you sit in the F-35 cockpit and flew across the Atlantic how did the various systems assist you in the flight?
Answer: The great thing about the F-35 is that the human-machine interface (HMI) is so good and so built around the pilot that you don’t have to learn how it works. You just use it. You can configure the screens to configure for the mission.
The aircraft is built to understand; you are building a strategy, not focusing on managing the sensors or really focused on the flying function. I was able to see the aircraft surrounding me through the clouds, such as keeping distance with my tankers, by using my helmet and the Distributed Aperture System and see the C-130s below me below the clouds.
Question: Did you have any problems with your helmet?
Answer: No. I used the Gen II helmet and the Gen III has improved the helmet, but my helmet worked flawlessly during the flight. I was able to fulfill the mission and I am here.
Question: How different is flying the Tornado compared to the F-35?
Answer: How can answer and be polite? There is no comparison. Recently, I flew the Tornado after learning to fly the F-35. It was a real shock to go back in time. I had to move my head and focus on the switches and sensors – you have to manage the aircraft to fly. The F-35 is totally different....
...Question: How was the airplane ergonomically?
Answer: I did not think about it until you asked the question. The seat is very comfortable. You can stretch your legs in front of you. The helmet was confortable, and the seat was very supportable and comfortable. With this helmet I do not have to turn my head, which makes it easier as well for the pilot....
Thank you a1bill. Sounds like quite an achievement to me. However, my transatlantic experience is restricted to warships and airliners.
It's also good to hear from the mouth end of the horse for a change.
It's also good to hear from the mouth end of the horse for a change.
The report on the ferry flight is good. It should be comfortable to fly, easy to tank and stable. Those are givens for a modern aircraft. Sadly not using the Gen III helmet, so nothing there. Nice account of the DAS in cloud.