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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 1st Nov 2019, 13:33
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The air base fire department was on standby for the water salute when they were called to an actual emergency with an F-16," according to Reddit user krijgnog5eurovanje. "When they returned for the water salute they forgot to switch from 'foam' to 'water.'
Also video at following link.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ath-by-mistake
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 13:41
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 13:57
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"Well, here's another *foam* mess you've gotten me into......" (With apologies to Laurel and Hardy)

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Old 1st Nov 2019, 16:37
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Originally Posted by Jhieminga View Post


Screenshots taken from the livestream.

Initial responses range from 'no problem' to 'Lockheed Martin recommends airframe requires a full teardown and rebuilt if at all salvageable' so the truth is somewhere in between I guess. An engine run with what appears to be a compressor wash was carried out later the same day (see below) so they did have some cause for concern I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzTkLkycjpQ
And so the next candidate for the Caption Competition was unwittingly revealed....!
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 18:36
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Grrr

"I said Phone me.. Not Foam me!"
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 07:20
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https://www.pogo.org/analysis/2019/1...-tag-for-f-35/

......The Air Force’s fiscal year 2020 budget pays for the 48 F-35As in Lot 11. The current $89.2 million dollar price the Pentagon uses is calculated by separating out just the costs for the airframe and the engine from the larger total procurement cost that includes ALIS, simulators, initial spare parts, and more to get to the artificially low $89.2 million. That is far from the whole story.

The Pentagon’s own budget documents list the FY 2020 procurement cost for those 48 aircraft as more than $101 million, nearly $12 million more than the figure rolled out for press reports. Using the Navy’s charts and the same math shows that the real costs for each F-35C is more than $123 million, while each F-35B costs in excess of $166 million. But even that figure doesn’t tell the whole story........

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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 09:10
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What can you say, they are expensive. India paid $245million for each Rafale, while the French claim they cost 90million.

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/indi....1549975118566
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 11:40
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We had the same thing happen at MAN a few years back on the inaugural Virgin ATL service, which subsequently had to be cancelled - They've never done a water cannon salute at MAN since.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...lane-FOAM.html
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 07:20
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Interesting tweet here quoting chief of the Luftwaffe's JG74 at Neuberg AB, who says Eurofighter went up against USAF F-35s in visual fight, and won four of four .

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Old 6th Nov 2019, 16:58
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Interesting tweet here quoting chief of the Luftwaffe's JG74 at Neuberg AB, who says Eurofighter went up against USAF F-35s in visual fight, and won four of four.
So a fighter in an air defense focused squadron beat a F-35 in a visual fight?.....I would imagine so, good for bragging rights at the bar (and on twitter) perhaps....

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Old 6th Nov 2019, 18:58
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The RNoAF declared IOC with 332 Sqn today at the end of a two week deployment away from their home base from Orland to Rygge.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 19:08
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So a fighter in an air defense focused squadron beat a F-35 in a visual fight?.....I would imagine so, good for bragging rights at the bar (and on twitter) perhaps....
Reading the thread, it's.interesting that the USAF pilots were the ones who requested the fight and who stipulated the rules.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 06:48
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RAAF F-35 obsolete by 2030?

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-in...matic-purchase

In a startling statement reported this month, two recent Air Force chiefs assert Australia has made some grave force structure errors. It seems the RAAF needs a new bomber, as the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter now entering service is inadequate for future strike operations. The chiefs’ intervention raises questions about how this could have happened and, given growing international tensions, how such expensive strategic missteps can be avoided.........

In 2017, USAF reviewed its air combat programs and determined that, all things considered, the F-35 would be unable to penetrate defended airspace past 2030. The logic underpinning this formal report was later explained publicly by its lead author. The recent pronouncements by the retired RAAF chiefs are then unsurprising. They consider that the RAAF’s force structure is now passé, being unable to defend “our lines of communication or prevent the lodgment of a hostile power in the Indo-Pacific region.”

It suddenly seems the Air Force needs major recapitalisation, just as its force structure is being renewed at considerable cost. The retired chiefs are now calling for a “reset”, with significant new spending and possibly acquiring advanced bombers, cruise missiles, and unmanned aircraft – a laundry list reminiscent of the Howard government’s White Paper...........

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Old 12th Nov 2019, 15:38
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An Interesting Parliamentary Question response giving the next three years delivery schedule for the UK Lightning Force.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/p...9-10-29/HL520/

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Old 13th Nov 2019, 19:30
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At lest it looks like a possible solution to the comms interconnectivity problems the F-35 MADL and F-22 FDL. Presumably it can also act as an expendable combat node/BACN for L-16 etc.....

Alert 5 » USAF plans to use XQ-58A as datalink node between F-22 and F-35 - Military Aviation News
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 02:29
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
RAAF F-35 obsolete by 2030?

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-in...matic-purchase

In a startling statement reported this month, two recent Air Force chiefs assert Australia has made some grave force structure errors. It seems the RAAF needs a new bomber, as the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter now entering service is inadequate for future strike operations. The chiefs’ intervention raises questions about how this could have happened and, given growing international tensions, how such expensive strategic missteps can be avoided.........

In 2017, USAF reviewed its air combat programs and determined that, all things considered, the F-35 would be unable to penetrate defended airspace past 2030. The logic underpinning this formal report was later explained publicly by its lead author. The recent pronouncements by the retired RAAF chiefs are then unsurprising. They consider that the RAAF’s force structure is now passé, being unable to defend “our lines of communication or prevent the lodgment of a hostile power in the Indo-Pacific region.”

It suddenly seems the Air Force needs major recapitalisation, just as its force structure is being renewed at considerable cost. The retired chiefs are now calling for a “reset”, with significant new spending and possibly acquiring advanced bombers, cruise missiles, and unmanned aircraft – a laundry list reminiscent of the Howard government’s White Paper...........
An extraordinary "shopping list" likely to include the B21 Raider and ABM technology. This, after our JSF purchase, required an expensive government intervention and purchase of an interim fighter and a change of mind on needing Growlers to escort JSF. The interim Super Hornet purchase and the unexpected Growler buy, were both deemed unnecessary at early stages by RAAF chiefs.

You have to ask, what's wrong with RAAF leadership? If we are going to be equipped to fight China there's a lot more than big ticket items required. Look at Taiwan for example. Air base hardening and force dispersal. I think the taxpaying public would like to see a more pragmatic RAAF first, before asking for billion dollar bombers!
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 02:35
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Originally Posted by AnglianAV8R View Post
CAPTION COMPETITION ANYONE ?

After all these years of waiting, you finally came!

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Old 14th Nov 2019, 08:05
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Originally Posted by ACW367 View Post
An Interesting Parliamentary Question response giving the next three years delivery schedule for the UK Lightning Force.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/p...9-10-29/HL520/

So the RAF & the RN will have 35 by end 2022 of which 8 are the early development aircraft? How long will it take to reach the aspirational target of 138? At 8 per year I make it 2035.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 09:31
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https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...y-data-rights/

The Pentagon plan to save the F-35’s logistics system hinges on whether Lockheed will relinquish data control

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Old 14th Nov 2019, 15:27
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I would so like to believe that the F-35 is a wonder weapons system that will serve us as well as the Tornado did, or, in an earlier generation, the Spitfire. But we keep seeing new developments that call the whole concept into further doubt - as other posts just this month attest.

Now, here's another from defense-aerospace.com
F-35 Operational Evaluation Suspended, Will Not Resume Before Mid-2020
https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/207447/f_35-operational-evaluation-suspended-until-mid_2020-as-doubts-grow.html

Explaining why he's suspending operational testing until next summer, Robert Behler, Director of IOT&E (Initial Operational Test and Evaluation), says
no F-35 variant meets the specified reliability or maintainability metrics. In short, [for] all variants, the aircraft are breaking more often and are taking longer to fix,
So, if we take that alongside the idea from Australia that the whole thing may become useless after 2030, it seems as if we have the most expensive weapons system ever produced, which will actually be in productive service for less than 10 years.

Have we all gone completely barmy?

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