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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 19th Feb 2019, 08:25
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It's okay, I'll take it as your opinion, I thought you had it as a fact. I'm sure the partners would air their displeasure, if it was the case.

It seems that you are using one thing to suggest another. The US exported at the time, superior F-15 to Singapore and also have exported superior F-16s. It doesn't nullify your US quotes. The US does maintain its power advantage and you are right that no faires died

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Old 20th Feb 2019, 05:59
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Trump signs bill blocking transfer of F-35 fighter jets to Turkey

U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday signed a spending bill that blocks the transfer of the country's F-35 new generation fighter jets to Turkey.

According to spending bill signed by Trump on Friday, delivery of the jets to Turkey will be blocked until the U.S. Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense submit an update to the report regarding the purchase of Turkey of the S–400 missile defense system from the Russian Federation.

In earlier report to the Congress in late November, Pentagon said Turkey’s purchase of the Russian S-400 missile systems could result in Ankara’s potential expulsion from the F-35 program, as well as affecting its acquisition of other weapons including Boeing Co.'s CH-47F Chinook helicopter and Lockheed’s F-16 fighter and UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters.

On Monday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan confirmed the purchase and stated that there was no turning back from receiving the S-400 air defense systems from Russia in 2019........
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 10:32
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Now is that wise? Gives Mr Putin a big opening ..........................
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 14:51
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And wasn't Turkey going to be a maintenance hub?
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 20:36
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Now is that wise? Gives Mr Putin a big opening ..........................
In that case it gives the EU an even bigger headache.
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 08:48
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I don't think Defence is an Eu priority

For NATO and the USA a less than enthusiastic Turkey is a serious problem - effectively they can relax transit conditions through to/from the Black Sea, it opens up the whole eastern flank of Greece, Bulgaria and Romania and worst of all it makes for a less friendly country into the Mid-East mix

And remember Turkey is a BIG player - same population as Iran and almost certainly a lot more effective military
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 09:02
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Turkey was allowed to resume control of the Bosporus in 1936 under the terms of the Montreux Convention. They cannot vary or waive the current conditions except under prescribed conditions.

They could, of course, abrogate the Convention. But, then again, any one can breach an international treaty, and accepted the consequences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montre...of_the_Straits
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 19:44
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
And wasn't Turkey going to be a maintenance hub?
For whom? About the last place I'd go when I heard "we'll do our maintenance here" if all of my NATO allies are an option is .. Turkey. Who came up with this brilliant plan? (Granted, my experience is more than a decade old, so perhaps some things have changed culturally).
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 22:30
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[QUOTE=Harley Quinn]And wasn't Turkey going to be a maintenance hub?[QUOTE]
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For whom?
I believe Turkey was planned to have been the Engine overhaul hub for European F-35 operators? Someone will no doubt be along shortly with the definitive answer...

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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 05:47
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Plus Norway, plus the Netherlands....

Establishment of Engine Depot for F-35

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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 08:58
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If the F35 Flying Pig is so great why have the USAAF just requested money to buy advance F15s?

Has the UK/MOD has been sold a ludicrously expensive herd of pigs which further needs two white elephants from which to launch them?

The Military Industrial Complex is our worst enemy not Russia or China. The latter have found ways of projecting power via the belt and road initiative which make Carrier Groups and F35s look irrelevant.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 10:28
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I can't see why the Belt and Road initiative makes carrier groups irrelevant. The world will still have shipping and political geography.

No doubt the Chinese feel the same, given their recent development of carrier groups.

The USAAF hasn't existed since 1947.
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 13:31
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US Navy declares IOC for Lockheed Martin F-35C

Another box ticked. From Flight Global:-

The US Navy declared the Lockheed Martin F-35C Lightning II, the aircraft carrier-capable variant of the stealth fighter, to have achieved Initial Operational Capability (IOC) on 28 February.

The declaration comes shortly after the USN’s first F-35C squadron, Strike Fighter Squadron 147, completed aircraft carrier qualifications aboard USS Carl Vinson and received a Safe-For-Flight Operations Certification, the service said. The US Air Force declared IOC for its conventional-takeoff and landing F-35A in 2016 and the US Marine Corps’ short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing F-35B was declared IOC in 2015 – meaning all US variants are now operational.
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 13:54
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If the F35 Flying Pig is so great why have the USAAF just requested money to buy advance F15s?
I don't think the USAF has requested the F-15X at all, I think it is being requested for them by lawmakers who may or may not represent areas such as St Louis (no connection, of course).

Has the UK/MOD has been sold a ludicrously expensive herd of pigs which further needs two white elephants from which to launch them?
Cause and effect - the F-35 doesn't need the two carriers to launch them, the two carriers need the F-35 to be launched from them. If we want fixed-wing carrier aviation and don't have the resources or inclination for conventional 'cat and traps', then the F-35B is the only game in town whether you like it or not.
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 14:33
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F-15X request was added by the Office of the Secretary of Defence ((OSD).
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 14:49
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If the F35 Flying Pig is so great why have the USAAF just requested money to buy advance F15s?
At least partially for the same reason USN continues to buy Super Hornets. It provides a capability not matched by the F-35 and working together, they provide a greater capability than either alone. The F-35 is optimized for the air-to-ground role. The F-15 for the air-to-air role. The F-35 and F-15X both have long range passive air-to-air sensors. But the F-35 can only carry AMRAAM internally. Longer range weapons need to be carried externally, compromising stealth. So for the long range air-to-air mission the F-35 is no more stealthy than the F-15X. But the F-15X can carry far more long range missiles than F-35. F-15X is also based on the F-15E platform, which has two seats. There are advantages to having a second guy in the jet for some of these complex long range air to air missions. Plus, they are (allegedly) cheaper. Indeed Boeing has stated they will sign a firm fixed price contract for F-15X with a unit price well below the lowest unit price predicted/promised for F-35. With nearly 50 years experience building the F-15, Boeing has figured out how to get a lot of cost out of the process.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 12:11
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F-35 maintenance

https://www.mro-network.com/maintena...56298bcc40bc30



A few quotes from the article:

Rather than the 400-Hz AC electrical ground power used by generations of aircraft, the F-35 uses 270-volt DC power. Its systems, including its electrically powered flight controls, require more power than previous fighters.“The F-35 is a very smart aircraft,” says Bryan Bullerdick, CEO of North Carolina-based design and equipment supplier B GSE Group, which has worked on most of the extant F-35 hangars. He explains that if the power provided to the F-35 is not the perfect voltage, amperage or harmonics, the aircraft will not turn on when the ground crew needs to perform functional checks. Centralized electric power systems with long, sensitive supply cables do not work. Not only is such cabling a vulnerable obstacle, the DC current it provides degrades over distances.

Accordingly, in each F-35 hangar work is done above service pits—under-floor spaces from which electric power, cooling and other services are provided at the aircraft, obviating the need to run cables from remote inverters/converters.
...and...

Cooling is another issue. The F-35’s multiple electronic systems generate significant heat. During maintenance, the fighter requires preconditioned air (PCA) cooling at just the right temperature. The air must be very dry at a higher pressure than standard commercial PCA. Sending cool air from specialized high-pressure air conditioners through an underground trunk line which is ducted off to individual service pits is one way to ensure proper cooling.
I am ignorant but it doesn't sound very expeditionary.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 14:45
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Originally Posted by t43562 View Post
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A few quotes from the article:



...and...



I am ignorant but it doesn't sound very expeditionary.
I do believe that all the fuel trucks have been modified now though...
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 07:35
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We’ve Got to Talk About ALIS

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019...ructor-pilots/

Key piece of F-35 logistics system unusable by US Air Force students, instructor pilots
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 12:42
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Government sourced software not working properly shock!
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