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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 10th Dec 2018, 13:05
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Originally Posted by Speedywheels View Post
I read the same and instantly dismissed the content. The coating integrity would only be an issue if it was mission critical. As the aircraft are only currently being operated as the squadrons and crews work up, I just don't buy it.
Well somebody does!

An RAF source told the Sunday Express: “This situation obviously has to be rectified before the plane enters operational service”.

They said Mr Williamson and RAF chief Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Hillier had always been aware of the problem.



"Another company spokesman said: “Stealth maintenance on the F-35 is proving to be a significant success. It requires less maintenance and…is easier, more affordable and faster to repair compared to previous low-observable aircraft”.

"But Air Commodore Andrew Lambert, a former RAF director of defence studies, said: “Lockheed Martin says it’s better now, but it takes just one scratch to give the fighter jet the same radar profile as a 747, the you may as well not be bothering”.



Still I wouldn't worry too much, they wont ever be fighting anyone important.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 17:10
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
Well somebody does!

An RAF source told the Sunday Express: “This situation obviously has to be rectified before the plane enters operational service”.

They said Mr Williamson and RAF chief Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Hillier had always been aware of the problem.




"But Air Commodore Andrew Lambert, a former RAF director of defence studies, said: “Lockheed Martin says it’s better now, but it takes just one scratch to give the fighter jet the same radar profile as a 747, the you may as well not be bothering”.



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I’m not sure that can be taken too seriously. If it had no coating at all it still would not have the RCS of a 747.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 18:43
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Whilst this chap may have more relevant experience in his CV can I suggest that Dir of Studies has no relevance whatsoever in the field of LO maintenance?
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 18:45
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
"Another company spokesman said: “Stealth maintenance on the F-35 is proving to be a significant success. It requires less maintenance and…is easier, more affordable and faster to repair compared to previous low-observable aircraft”.
Stealth maintenance was what killed previous attempts to put stealth aircraft on carriers. It was just not doable on a carrier. USN accepted the F-35 largely based on the great improvement in robustness of the stealth coating, and the maintainability of those coatings.

"But Air Commodore Andrew Lambert, a former RAF director of defence studies, said: “Lockheed Martin says it’s better now, but it takes just one scratch to give the fighter jet the same radar profile as a 747, the you may as well not be bothering”.
This sounds more like jest/hyperbole than fact. With no coatings at all the F-35 has a far smaller RCS than a 747.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 18:47
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Anyone who uses the phrase ‘fighter jet’ probably jumps the queue for instant dismissal!😉
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 19:58
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Surprised you haven't posted this already, Spaz. RAAF F-35A's arrive at RAAF Base Williamtown.

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Old 12th Dec 2018, 12:25
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F-35 flypast..... 35 of them!

https://theaviationist.com/2018/11/2...ormation-ever/
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Old 12th Dec 2018, 13:43
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NutLoose, you are about three weeks late to that show.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 18:13
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Tokyo set to become second biggest F-35 operator

The Japanese cabinet has approved a plan to add an additional 105 Lockheed Martin F-35s to its planned fleet of 42 examples, potentially making it the world’s second largest F-35 operator.

In a press briefing, the chief cabinet secretary Yoshihide Suga confirmed that the country’s Medium Term Defence Program has been approved by the cabinet.

Of Tokyo’s eventual F-35 fleet of 147 examples, it is likely that 107 will be conventional take-off and landing F-35As, while 40 will be short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35Bs. Flight Fleets Analyzer shows that a fleet of this size would make Tokyo the second largest operator of the F-35 type after the United States, and putting it ahead of the United Kingdom.
Full article on Flight Global
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 18:44
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Already covered in detail on the Japanese Carrier thread.

New Japanese Carrier
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 16:20
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Perhaps they have found a new use for whale oil.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 11:14
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As they say in Ireland, "Whale Oil Beef Hooked"
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 11:18
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As they say in Ireland, "Whale Oil Beef Hooked"
(took a couple of seconds...)
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 00:45
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
Well somebody does!

An RAF source told the Sunday Express: “This situation obviously has to be rectified before the plane enters operational service”.

They said Mr Williamson and RAF chief Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Hillier had always been aware of the problem.



"Another company spokesman said: “Stealth maintenance on the F-35 is proving to be a significant success. It requires less maintenance and…is easier, more affordable and faster to repair compared to previous low-observable aircraft”.

"But Air Commodore Andrew Lambert, a former RAF director of defence studies, said: “Lockheed Martin says it’s better now, but it takes just one scratch to give the fighter jet the same radar profile as a 747, the you may as well not be bothering”.



Still I wouldn't worry too much, they wont ever be fighting anyone important.
I would have to go digging, but some may recall the test where there was deliberately, significant damage done to the wing in several places. There was a picture and description, showing what was done. It still met it's RCS requirements.

I think they may be referring to the IR spray coat? I haven't really gone into it a lot. I would assume there may be an additional final protective coat, for the IR coating.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 13:33
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Interesting read:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...ade-list-39807
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 07:43
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I see the USAF has found a role for their early F-35As. Saves the cost of working out how to upgrade them for I suppose.

Will they bother to keep the stealth skin up to scratch? And security iterating away from home base at air shows will doubtless be an issue, as will dragging a mobile ALIS around.

Then in there is the cost - the first $1B+ display team?

Alert 5 » USAF F-35 Demo Team to make N. American debut at Melbourne Air & Space Show - Military Aviation News

USAF F-35 Demo Team to make N. American debut at Melbourne Air & Space Show


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Old 30th Dec 2018, 08:12
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Then in there is the cost - the first $1B+ display team?
Pretty sure it's just one aircraft, and even the first F-35s weren't that expensive. Like the A-10 demo team https://www.facebook.com/A10DemoTeam/
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:49
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Pretty sure it's just one aircraft, and even the first F-35s weren't that expensive. Like the A-10 demo team https://www.facebook.com/A10DemoTeam/
Hohohoho.

Anyway the F35 has the same need for stealth coatings as it has for spares, according to some....
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 17:02
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Forces Network reporting Defence Secretary's announcement of UK F-35 operational readiness
The British military now has nine F-35B Lightning jets ready to be deployed on operations, the Defence Secretary has confirmed.Gavin Williamson also announced an upgrade to the UK's Typhoon fleet during a visit to unveil a new F-35 hangar.
Together, the F-35B and Typhoon will form part of the UK's combat air fleet, interoperability which the RAF says has been tested in operational trials.
https://www.forces.net/news/britain-...4e42-440992797

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Old 12th Jan 2019, 06:53
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Uneasy times may arrive for F-35 if Patrick Shanahan becomes the SoD. As a Boeing guy he definitely dislikes all the LockMart-made stuff...
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