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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 30th Aug 2018, 16:52
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They started flying again yesterday. Three pairs have been seen overhead Docking yesterday and today.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 20:11
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Originally Posted by airsound View Post
And on the same day that the article above appears, the MoD announces - referring to the first F-35B flight with MBDA ASRAAMs
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...s-to-the-skies

But it seems from the pictures that ASRAAMS can only be carried externally. Does that make MoD's reference to a bit optimistic?

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The option for internal ASRAAM carriage was dropped when the switch was made from F-35C to F-35B. The internal option was shown on some mock-ups for the F-35C.

https://u0v052dm9wl3gxo0y3lx0u44wz-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/F-35-Weapons-Integration-ASRAAM.jpg

From

https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-co...issile-asraam/

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Old 30th Aug 2018, 20:22
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Old 31st Aug 2018, 09:10
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How much does the helmet cost again?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a22877042/navy-f35-helmet-bug/

"The solution involves swapping out the current helmet mounted displays and replacing them with organic, light emitting diodes (OLEDs)."

ROFL
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 08:36
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Would the damage to the F-18 relate solely to a spoked basket? Or does it imply that the basket damage was part of a larger event?

https://news.usni.org/2018/09/04/f-35c-damaged-36249

F-35C, Super Hornet Damaged During At-Sea Aerial Refueling
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 09:11
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A spoked drogue can cause parts of the probe or drogue to become detached, causing damage to the receiver. Some receivers are more prone to engine damage than others, by virtue of the relative positioning of the probe and engine intake(s).

A damaged drogue might cause hose instability; if the drogue detaches following the incident, hose flail may damage the tanker.

Having to divert to shore after your only engine has suffered damage must be somewhat thought provoking, particularly at night...
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 10:07
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The F-35C didn't divert onshore; it recovered to the Lincoln.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 16:48
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I was presuming the F-35C made for the carrier as the nearest deck/runway since the level of reported damage must have given numerous warnings and vibration.

My uncertainty over the F-18 related to whether it diverted in case of a foul deck, a possible unretractable damaged trailing hose (though the pod could have been dropped if necessary) or if there was any damage caused to the aircraft surfaces itself.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 18:42
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Some more IS cop it from the grey swept wing dealer of death..

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/tornado-jets-strike-a-building-occupied-by-islamic-state-in-northern-iraq/

Interesting tallies in report but the question remains WHERE ARE THE F35 TORNADO REPLACEMENTS?
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 18:52
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Well there's 9 of them in Norfolk...
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 00:22
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Originally Posted by Obi Wan Russell View Post
Well there's 9 of them in Norfolk...
Many, if not all, of the F35 proponents on this forum were unequivocal in their belief that these "aircraft" would be on operations soon, if not immediately, after delivery.

Some of us pointed out that all they would be doing is circuits, not that there's much choice in the matter ..

..If it looks like a turd, flies like a turd, performs like a turd....etc

...If you think about it, and in no way belittling the dangers to crews/support on ops, you won't get much closer to shooting ducks in a barrel that exterminating IS from the air just now, compared to some of the more challenging scenarios...so what's stopping the RAF F35's from stepping up?

Well ?
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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
Many, if not all, of the F35 proponents on this forum were unequivocal in their belief that these "aircraft" would be on operations soon, if not immediately, after delivery.

Some of us pointed out that all they would be doing is circuits, not that there's much choice in the matter ..

..If it looks like a turd, flies like a turd, performs like a turd....etc

...If you think about it, and in no way belittling the dangers to crews/support on ops, you won't get much closer to shooting ducks in a barrel that exterminating IS from the air just now, compared to some of the more challenging scenarios...so what's stopping the RAF F35's from stepping up?

Well ?
Ffs, change the record!
The EF Typhoon entered service in 2004/5 and didn't see 'operations' until 2011, why aren't you squealing about that too?

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Old 7th Sep 2018, 02:33
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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
Many, if not all, of the F35 proponents on this forum were unequivocal in their belief that these "aircraft" would be on operations soon, if not immediately, after delivery.

Some of us pointed out that all they would be doing is circuits, not that there's much choice in the matter ..

..If it looks like a turd, flies like a turd, performs like a turd....etc

...If you think about it, and in no way belittling the dangers to crews/support on ops, you won't get much closer to shooting ducks in a barrel that exterminating IS from the air just now, compared to some of the more challenging scenarios...so what's stopping the RAF F35's from stepping up?

Well ?
Has the RAF declared IOC? Seems unreasonable to expect any deployment before such a declaration. No doubt you’d fashion that it some anti-F-35 argument about baseless risk-taking and putting the aircrew’s lives in danger.
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Has the RAF declared IOC? Seems unreasonable to expect any deployment before such a declaration. No doubt you’d fashion that it some anti-F-35 argument about baseless risk-taking and putting the aircrew’s lives in danger.


Oh nothing of the sort.

I can't wait, really I can't, for the RAF to move into the 5th and 6th gen LO game, the same sort of operational performance improvements that Typhoon supplied over the F3. That GR1 supplied over Bucc and Jag..

It will provide a quantum step forwards in the RAF's capabilities, albeit at fairly modest range.

However, receiving aircraft that, by LM's own admission, are sub par, and will require massive rework programs to match the offensive capabilities of current airframe[s], let alone surpass them, is stretching the story quite a bit...

I hope the RAF's F35B IOC delivers more substantial capabilities than the USMC's role playing one...especially when the aircraft is expected to perform LO missions, which I believe, was is the raison d'etre for this whole outlandish project..


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/unready-war-americas-f-35-gets-bad-report-card-15092


"Gilmore’s report also reveal another bit of insight which the F-35 Joint Program Office does not readily admit—the development effort is deferring capabilities in an attempt to meet its schedule: “JSF follow-on development will integrate additional capabilities in Block 4, address deferrals from Block 3F to Block 4, and correct deficiencies discovered during Block 3F development and IOT&E.”"
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 14:47
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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
WHERE ARE THE F35 TORNADO REPLACEMENTS?
My understanding was that short term Typhoon would make use of its new capabilities: SS and DMSB under Project Centurion?
To be honest Glad Rag you come across as a bit of a prat, until IOC and we'll beyond there's a lot to be done to understand how best to exploit a hugely complex machine
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Will someone please explain how the ‘35s can be completely hamstrung from operational use by currently available software when IAF are already using theirs on Ops? Where does their software come from?
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 17:43
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
My understanding was that short term Typhoon would make use of its new capabilities: SS and DMSB under Project Centurion?
To be honest Glad Rag you come across as a bit of a prat, until IOC and we'll beyond there's a lot to be done to understand how best to exploit a hugely complex machine
Cheers!

You might find some of the following upsetting then.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-has-966-still-unresolved-design-flaws-30617

Officials in the F-35 Joint Program Office are making paper reclassifications of potentially life-threatening design flaws to make them appear less serious, likely in an attempt to prevent the $1.5-trillion program from blowing through another schedule deadline and budget cap.

The Center for Defense Information at the Project On Government Oversight obtained a document showing how F-35 officials are recategorizing—rather than fixing—major design flaws to be able to claim they have completed the program’s development phase without having to pay overruns for badly needed fixes.
bla blah bla
several of these flaws, like the lack of any means for a pilot to confirm a weapon’s target data before firing

So one must presume that will be, until roe are 're written to legitimise blue on blue, the reason they will be boring holes in the clouds (and displaying at airshows) until 2020 and beyond..
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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
Cheers!

You might find some of the following upsetting then.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-has-966-still-unresolved-design-flaws-30617

Officials in the F-35 Joint Program Office are making paper reclassifications of potentially life-threatening design flaws to make them appear less serious, likely in an attempt to prevent the $1.5-trillion program from blowing through another schedule deadline and budget cap.

The Center for Defense Information at the Project On Government Oversight obtained a document showing how F-35 officials are recategorizing—rather than fixing—major design flaws to be able to claim they have completed the program’s development phase without having to pay overruns for badly needed fixes.
bla blah bla
several of these flaws, like the lack of any means for a pilot to confirm a weapon’s target data before firing

So one must presume that will be, until roe are 're written to legitimise blue on blue, the reason they will be boring holes in the clouds (and displaying at airshows) until 2020 and beyond..
Doesn't upset me in the least: Typhoon made, and makes a good airshow machine for a good few years too, but you can't deny it is now doing good stuff whenever it is asked to.
The critics at COGO are respected for their independence, and there is no doubt that there are problems, but if you can name an aircraft that seamlessly entered service anywhere in the world since 1945 without issues I'll be surprised This programme is seriously complex, and the three variants has made it more so.
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 11:30
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his programme is seriously complex, and the three variants has made it more so.
https://warisboring.com/u-s-general-...ate-airplanes/

Quote..
"And the compromise didn’t result in a truly common design. It’s “almost like three separate production lines,” Bogdan said, according to Air Forcemagazine. A real joint fighter, the program boss said, is “hard” because each branch is adamant about its requirements. “You want what you want,” Bogdan said."

Bogdan declined to say whether the Pentagon’s next generation of fighters should be joint. But Lt. Gen. James Holmes, the Air Force’s deputy chief of staff for plans and requirements, said in mid-February 2016 that the Navy and Air Force would probably design their next fighters separately."

No offence but if I may...

You need four new tyres [tires] for your car [sedan] you drop car in tyre [tire] shop, come back and pay for job. Than you discover the tyres [tires] have the wrong speed and load ratings making them a danger to both you and your family.

You wouldn't be very happy, would you.

But what if the trick was they told you that the tyres were incorrect, but you said that it's fine, and that later, once the correct tyres were available, you would come back and purchase some more...

Would that be a smart move? Yes or no?

{BTW F35 program has just bust $1 trillion. Whether that figure included the "tyre replacement" or not, well, that IS a pertinent question}


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Will someone please explain how the ‘35s can be completely hamstrung from operational use by currently available software when IAF are already using theirs on Ops? Where does their software come from?
Google

Israeli F35 to avoid contract limitations on maintenance and software for a start..

and no I don't blame them one bit..in fact it's quite admirable.
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