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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 24th May 2016, 19:59
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No, it shows the plating being applied, vaneyck.
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Old 24th May 2016, 20:34
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They are only doing a small% of total deck area, timescale for that is at present 1 year.
Goes on in a 10,000C plasma jet 3 layers needed for complete [email protected] 2-2.5mm resistant to 1500C and will last 50 years...
thing is though where does the heat actually go??

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Old 26th May 2016, 09:59
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Final F-35 Testing Slips To 2018

WASHINGTON — The military’s top weapons tester has been warning for months that the F-35 will not be ready for its final test phase until 2018 at the earliest. On Tuesday, the Pentagon officially acknowledged the schedule slip. “We reviewed the status of operational test planning, and there is consensus that that is likely to occur in calendar year 2018 given the realities of the schedule at this time,” said Frank Kendall, the Pentagon’s top acquisition official, during a Tuesday conference call. “The target was the middle of 2017, but it’s clear we’re not going to make that.”

This slip reflects a six-month delay for initial operational test and evaluation, or IOT&E, the last major period of testing before full-rate production. IOT&E will test the F-35's full combat capability, verifying the jets can fly real, operational missions as intended. The joint program office’s objective to begin IOT&E was August or September 2017, said JPO chief Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan, speaking to reporters along with Kendall after the F-35 chief executive officer roundtable in Phoenix. But that start date has slipped to January or February, he said.

The challenge lies with retrofitting all 23 aircraft required for IOT&E with the full 3F software and hardware capability, Bogdan said. “We believe that in order to get all 23 airplanes for the [operational test] fleet to a full 3F production-representative configuration is going to take us longer than” anticipated, Bogdan said. “That is merely a function of trying to get those older airplanes fully mod-ed to a complete 3F hardware and software capability so they can do IOT&E with production-representative aircraft.”

The delay has nothing to do with the ongoing software glitches that cause the jets’ systems to shut down and need to be re-booted, a problem seen across the fleet, he said. However, fixing these software issues did lead to a delay in wrapping up testing of the 3i software, which the Air Force needs to declare its F-35A jets operational this year. The work on 3i has eaten up “a majority” of the team’s schedule margin for beginning IOT&E, officials at Edwards Air Force Base, California, told Defense News recently.

Bogdan has already acknowledged that delivery of the final Block 3F software slipped by four months to late fall 2017, a delay that was primarily due to the software issues seen in both 3i and 3F..................
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Old 26th May 2016, 10:32
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Not in the least
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Old 27th May 2016, 00:24
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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
They are only doing a small% of total deck area, timescale for that is at present 1 year.
Goes on in a 10,000C plasma jet 3 layers needed for complete [email protected] 2-2.5mm resistant to 1500C and will last 50 years...
thing is though where does the heat actually go??
I stand corrected. What an incredibly time-consuming and no doubt expensive process.
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Old 27th May 2016, 01:45
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Time consuming and expensive compared to, say, having to re-coat/repair the deck multiple times over 30+ years of operations because you wanted it done fast and on the cheap?! New compounds and heat-resistant chemicals are being developed.

Who knows, maybe in 20 years time you could spray some new-fangled paint on with a garden hose and get better results in a tenth of the time. Until then, it is what it is.
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Old 27th May 2016, 05:11
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Restarting F-22 maybe isn't as far fetched as we're thinking?

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...t.aspx?ID=2202

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh III said May 26 that reopening the F-22 manufacturing line was within the realm of possibility, and that it may cost less than developing a sixth-generation fighter.

Welsh said he has not seen results from that cost analysis yet. A timeline of when the cost analysis will be complete was not immediately available. The Rand Corp. estimated in a 2010 report that it would cost over $500 million in 2008 dollars to restart production.
$500 million? What's that, the cost of 3 or 4 F-35s?
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Old 27th May 2016, 09:43
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So, F-22 re-start estimated at half a billion $ in 2010 (you just know that will have gone up in the following 6 years), but what about the actual cost of producing and buying the new F-22's? The software, and hardware on which it's hosted, will have to be updated, not to mention probably fitting some of the F-35's magic avionics plus upgraded/new F-22 specific avionics, develop the F-22's ground attack capabilities further perhaps. What about the existing F-22 fleet, would the avionics/software/hardware be backwards compatible, or would the USAF end up with a 'fleet within a fleet'? Add in a goodly measure of testing and evaluation and the price tag starts to go up considerably. I guess it would still be cheaper than a clean sheet, 6th gen design though, or would it? It would no doubt kill off Boeing as a fighter designer/manufacturer and consolidate LM as the only game in town...

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Old 27th May 2016, 19:02
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Building aircraft is not what keeps the design teams current. You can only do that by "designing" things. So the issue is what things are Boeing military aircraft or the "Phantom Works" designing? For the Phantom Works we may not know as much of their activities are "proprietary". I will grant you that the production side is what funds a lot of the design activity.

For the F-22 Boeing built the wings and aft fuselage, including the structures necessary for engine and nozzle installation, and was responsible for avionics integration, 70 percent of mission software, the training system, the life support and fire protection systems, and the pilot and maintenance training systems.
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Building aircraft is not what keeps the design teams current. You can only do that by "designing" things.
Is that not the truth.
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Old 28th May 2016, 11:15
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Time consuming and expensive compared to, say, having to re-coat/repair the deck multiple times over 30+ years of operations because you wanted it done fast and on the cheap?! New compounds and heat-resistant chemicals are being developed.

Who knows, maybe in 20 years time you could spray some new-fangled paint on with a garden hose and get better results in a tenth of the time. Until then, it is what it is.
-And if we had bought a "PROPER" carrier not only would we not be having this conversation the FAA would be operationally deployed on ops!
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Old 28th May 2016, 17:44
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The longer they persist with the F-35, the more likely is the re-opening of F-22 production.

Reason? The F-22 does exactly what it was planned to do.

The things that the F-35 is planned to do, are tricky for a heavy single with a small wing- never mind trying to cludge all the different requirements into one airframe type.

Lockheed are the best, but the laws of physics are irrefutable, and even Lockheed Martin are subject to them.
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Old 28th May 2016, 18:01
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Glad Rag, on what? The two QECs aren't even out of build and you're claiming they would be operational, if they were "PROPER"?

Do you also work for the EU Referendum "Spin" shop in your spare time? Rofl.
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Old 28th May 2016, 18:30
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Never mind pedantry, this is for posterity....


They are only doing a small% of total deck area, timescale for that is at present 1 year.
Goes on in a 10,000C plasma jet 3 layers needed for complete [email protected] 2-2.5mm resistant to 1500C and will last 50 years...
I'm going to stick my neck out and say that in less than five years there will be an issue with that treatment needing (expensive) remedial work. 50 years my arse.

Remember the tiles on the space shuttle?
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Old 30th May 2016, 11:57
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Originally Posted by MSOCS View Post
Glad Rag, on what? The two QECs aren't even out of build and you're claiming they would be operational, if they were "PROPER"?

Do you also work for the EU Referendum "Spin" shop in your spare time? Rofl.



In the meantime...

"The EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept to power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration."

Ref. Juncker vows to use new powers to block the far-right | | The Times & The Sunday Times

Or even just this..






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Old 31st May 2016, 22:11
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Meanwhile - Second radar cross-section test range identified in China

Second radar cross-section test range identified in China | IHS Jane's 360

  • Airbus Defence and Space imagery captured in 2016 shows a new radar cross-section test range in China
  • A J-20 full-scale test article is present at the new test range, with apparent design changes suggesting either a new powerplant installation or a new aircraft variant under evaluation
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Old 3rd Jun 2016, 11:35
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Good news for Norfolk?

F-35 Not Much Noisier Than F-16, Say Dutch
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Old 3rd Jun 2016, 11:37
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The F-35 will make its official international debut at the Royal International Air Tattoo and Farnborough Air Show in the United Kingdom next month.
How many of you will be in attendance?
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Old 3rd Jun 2016, 12:22
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Tickets for RIAT are pretty much already gone. Few left. Somewhere like 55,000 per day.
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....of course, many have been saying this for quite some time, however the Dutch AF aren't "bought and paid for" LM spokespersons. The data is out there on all F-35 variants.
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