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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 20th Feb 2016, 23:06
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Page 3, under 'Weapons Integration', CM...

http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/...2015f35jsf.pdf

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Old 20th Feb 2016, 23:08
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Brilliant. Thanks, Rhino.
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Old 20th Feb 2016, 23:55
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Same as Courts, thanks Rhino for some clarity through the clouds of JPO obscuration...

meh..
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Old 21st Feb 2016, 11:36
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So the answer to my question is

No. Well, maybe, but we don't know what to say.

"The program altered the event scenario for three of
these events, as well as the twelfth event, specifically to
work around F-35 system deficiencies (e.g., changing
target spacing or restricting target maneuvers and
countermeasures).
- The performance of the Block 2B-configured F-35, if used
in combat, will depend in part on the degree to which the
enemy’s capabilities exceed the constraints of these narrow
scenarios and the operational utility of the workarounds
necessary for successful weapons employment."
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Old 21st Feb 2016, 12:01
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Old 21st Feb 2016, 13:53
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Yes, Radix, it's surprising how much DOTE.OSD.MIL seem happy to declare in public.

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Old 21st Feb 2016, 14:56
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Radix, I would imagine they already know all about the F-35, the true test will be if they attempt to emulate it or it's technologies....
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Old 21st Feb 2016, 19:42
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Radix - If the adversaries need to be told that they can make life more difficult for us by maneuvering, using countermeasures or flying close together or in trail, I'd say we don't have much to worry about.
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Old 21st Feb 2016, 20:31
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Flying closer together to make life harder for an AMRAAM carrier, LO? Not really. As long as you're not only carrying two.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 02:58
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CM, when I said "you are ex f-15 and was involved in some of the typhoon stuff. you are the only one's attitude I don't understand here, when compared to what other f-15 and typhoon pilots say"

The F-15 and Typhoon pilots that have anything to do with it, including those of the RAF. Say the F-35 is a step change and is a good platform.
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LO, the block 2b had flight restrictions and will continue to do so. I don't know if the AIM-120 is cleared for some or all the restrictions that are in place.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 03:36
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@Radix; @CM:

The publicly released DOT&E reports are vetted for security. There is also a classified version that the public - and presumably adversaries - do not see. So it seems the meme that the DOT&E is somehow aiding the enemy is just another misdirection by program advocates.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 12:17
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Program advocates would like DOT&E to go away:

We Have To Stop Letting The Testers Run The Asylum - Lexington Institute

However, the "adjust parameters until the probability of test success = 1.0" approach seen in the JSF program is exactly why the DOT&E office was created in the first place.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 16:03
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Originally Posted by A1Bill
CM, when I said "you are ex f-15 and was involved in some of the typhoon stuff. you are the only one's attitude I don't understand here, when compared to what other f-15 and typhoon pilots say"

The F-15 and Typhoon pilots that have anything to do with it, including those of the RAF. Say the F-35 is a step change and is a good platform.
And what do you assume my opinion of the platform to be?
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 16:14
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Originally Posted by LowObservable View Post
I wonder if the folks at the Lexington Institute have read up on Admiral Lockwood versus Bureau of Ordnance regarding torpedoes that didn't blow when they reached the target during numerous war time patrols. (WW II)


Maybe some of their granddads were members of the Bureau of Ordnance. How do you know it works? You check it out.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 16:27
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Snigger.... I shouldn't laugh, but......

US commander defends Joint Strike Fighter F-35A ahead of Senate inquiry

Bogdan dismisses concerns F-35As not suited to hot climates

In a submission to the Senate inquiry, Australian defence analyst David Archibald said F-35s would have trouble operating out of northern Australia.

"The F-35 uses its fuel for cooling its electronics," he wrote. "The aircraft won't start if its fuel is too warm, making deployment in northern Australia problematic."

But Lt Gen Bogdan said the issue with fuel was no different to legacy fighters.

"There are limits on any engine including the F-35 as to how hot the fuel can be before you put it in the plane," he said........
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 16:58
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Originally Posted by General Bogdan
"One thing you ought to know — and I am pre-empting my speech in front of the Senate — I am not an F-35 salesman," he said.
"There is no match in the world [for the F-35s] and there won't be for 10 or 20 years.
"Here's what an F-35 can do for you: long before two aeroplanes get close enough to see each other the F-35 is going to see that other aeroplane and kill it."
Er, oh, um, what?
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 18:36
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"Here's what an F-35 can do for you: long before two aeroplanes get close enough to see each other the F-35 is going to see that other aeroplane and kill it."

I thought that was what my Granny used to call "Beyond Visual Range".

And as I have remarked too many times, the stealth ideal of "one-way BVR" was hard enough to make real in the ATF days, before digital ESM, RCS reduction (counter-NCTR as much as delaying detection), IRST that worked, and networking.
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Old 23rd Feb 2016, 13:22
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Originally Posted by LowObservable View Post
"Here's what an F-35 can do for you: long before two aeroplanes get close enough to see each other the F-35 is going to see that other aeroplane and kill it."

I thought that was what my Granny used to call "Beyond Visual Range".

And as I have remarked too many times, the stealth ideal of "one-way BVR" was hard enough to make real in the ATF days, before digital ESM, RCS reduction (counter-NCTR as much as delaying detection), IRST that worked, and networking.
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Old 23rd Feb 2016, 22:21
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Yes its the Daily Mail, but I have added the source Link also. Maybe some valid points made about the F35s home plate.

US aircraft carriers are no longer the ultimate deterrent amid new technology | Daily Mail Online

http://www.cnas.org/growing-threat-t...s#.VszqPZyLSM-
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Old 23rd Feb 2016, 22:31
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Why is it that these things are always an existential threat to a moving and therefore harder to target ship, complete with some fairly heavy SAM carrying escorts, but somehow never to a fixed point with fuel and bomb shops that can be readily identified using google earth?
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